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Some nice Swiss coins from Chicago /****updated, grades posted ****

Phil was very nice and fast, so I'm glad to share with you 4 of my new purchases. I submitted these to PCGS, but I'll have to wait quite a while for their grades, guesses are welcome.

For those unfamiliar with Swiss coins, the 1/2 franc is the size of a US dime,the one franc is of a quarter and the 5 francs is the size of a silver dollar.


5 francs 1909, superb two sided toned beauty.

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1/2 franc 1850-A ,Seated Helvetia, a perfect match in colour and quality to my one and two francs of the same date.

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1 franc 1900-B simply stunning in hand and my nicest early Standing Helvetia one franc


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5 francs 1925-B, Tell big type, these are rarely encountered so clean.

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Looking back, I kind of regret not buying that nice 1874-B 5 francs with the diebreaks. image
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  • 3Mark3Mark Posts: 593 ✭✭✭
    And these are nice in hand, since I had them in my handimage3Mark
    I'm traveling on memory and running out of fuel.
  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes Larry, but were you sober enough as to accurately grade them? image


    Cause I think I wasn't. image
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  • 3Mark3Mark Posts: 593 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes Larry, but were you sober enough as to accurately grade them? image


    Cause I think I wasn't. image >>



    I grade better in barsimage3Mark
    I'm traveling on memory and running out of fuel.
  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
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    BTW, these photos are the first ever posted from my own website, it will be an architectural site, but a few hidden links,devoted to coins will be given to interested parties.image My first thoughts are to place my Greek collection (+Crete, Ionians, Cyprus) in one page, my Swiss collection in another and the come and go coins, incl. the for sale ones in a third one. Right now I have so many coins, I don't know what to do with them.

    edited: formerairline will soon be free, thanks for the hosting so far image

    Allow me to post one more recent purchase, a very rare top pop Greek coin,1883-A 50 lepta, the only MS65 in both services, scarcest date of a two year type, it's already been posted in a recent thread, but I'm very proud of it, it took me 3 days of phone negotiations, threats, blackmails and drama before I got one ,raw of course,right before I left for Chicago. image


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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Hey, I just set them aside.......image

    That 1909 5 Franc better show up as an MS66.

    1850 1/2 franc seems a lock at MS66 (killer lustre could go 67). I pulled the 1900 as a toner treat. I really don't recall, but another 66 (maybe 67) seems in order.

    That 1925 is another which in my estimation is another lock as a 66. Absolutely pristine reverse. The obverse is almost so.....those two ticks on the right shoulder and really very minor frost breaks on Tells face are the only distractions, and the image is much more severe appearing on the cheek than in hand. The stellar thing about this Tell is the Dripping Frost on the coin......this is what they mean by original skin. In fact, I'd bet this coin is the star of an original roll broken in the not to distant past.

    As to that 1874-B? It's still calling your name....it deserves a home in Athens.....image
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Awesome coins and images
    Bill

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  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    As to that 1874-B? It's still calling your name....it deserves a home in Athens.....


    Thanks for the input and the choices Mac. Guess what, I just emailed that nice Swiss dealer to show him the photos and rediscuss a few coins that I might have been too quick to pass on. But then again, I think I have some unfinished business with you too. image


    Bill, next time we'll do this together.
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  • theboz11theboz11 Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭
  • PreussenPreussen Posts: 2,307 ✭✭✭
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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Awesome coins and images >>



    Right on.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coins. Is the 1909 5 Franc uncirculated?







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  • Dimitri, as usual some stunning coins, you have a great eye and taste....image
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,430 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Where does one start and end in discussing these?

    The 1909 5FR is wonderful and I think it is a 65

    The 1850 1/2 FR is exceptional and worthy of a 66 shot at 67

    The 1900 1FR is a attractive coin 66 with 50% shot at 67

    The 1925 5FR looks to be dripping in lustre and worthy of a 65

    And you found all of these at Chicago? Congrats... well done.

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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,972 ✭✭✭
    Did they come out of Mac's rolls? image
    Nice ones!
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • UdoUdo Posts: 984 ✭✭
    I have no earthly idea of US grading so I won't guess any grades. image

    All I can say is WOW! image
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  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    Well, PCGS just emailed me the grades:

    1909-B 5 francs PCGS MS64
    1850-A 1/2 franc PCGS MS66
    1900-B 1 franc PCGS MS66
    1925-B 5 francs PCGS MS64

    I'm quite disappointed with the two 64s, even though top grades were not what I was after, if they were, I would have opted for fully white coins that seem to always get higher results. The 1909 5 francs in particular was the biggest disappointment,if this is not a 66 I don't know what is. I had the chance to compare it to this NGC MS66 , and besides the fact that the latter was only toned on one side, it was also technically inferior, at least this was my opinion, I don't know what Mac who also had the chance to see both of them in hand thinks.

    The 1925 5 francs is also low, I don't know what a 65 is supposed to look like anymore. The franc and half franc were as expected, although secretly I had hoped for a 67 on the 1900 franc due to its tremendous eye appeal, but like I said, it seems that this lofty grade is reserved for white coins only. Toning can hide technical defects, but this 1900 franc as can be seen in this very big photo is virtually flawless and even more stunning in hand. Oh well, such is life. If they weren't already shipped back home, I might have asked for a presidential review on the 1909 5 francs but now it's going to the safe and that's the end of it, unless I bring it with me on my next trip to the US for an on site resubmission, it's a high value coin and I think it's worth the extra hussle and fees.


    edited to add that this was a regular submission, at least turnaround was very quick, a promise that Ron kept.
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  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    There is absolutely no reason that 1909 should not be a 66. It was technically and for eye-appeal very much superior to the NGC66, and quite frankly as nice or nicer than my half crown which crossed from NGC to PCGS as MS66.

    If the 1925 isn't at the very least a 65, then none could possibly exist.image

    Colour me confused.

    To quote MrEureka regarding the bodybag rate of a few months ago,

    << <i>"Speaking for myself, my bodybag rate is on the increase and it's more than annoying. " >>

    ; these two grades also rate high on the 'annoyance scale'.
  • SYRACUSIANSYRACUSIAN Posts: 6,461 ✭✭✭✭
    There is absolutely no reason that 1909 should not be a 66. It was technically and for eye-appeal very much superior to the NGC66, and quite frankly as nice or nicer than my half crown which crossed from NGC to PCGS as MS66.



    Well, maybe I should submit it to NGC, then cross it to PCGS. image
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    << <i>Allow me to post one more recent purchase, a very rare top pop Greek coin,1883-A 50 lepta, the only MS65 in both services, scarcest date of a two year type, it's already been posted in a recent thread, but I'm very proud of it, it took me 3 days of phone negotiations, threats, blackmails and drama before I got one ,raw of course,right before I left for Chicago. >>



    LOL Blackmail and Drama. it just shows you had passion for the coins to aquire them. I know the feeling.
  • BSBS Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭
    I really like the 1/2 & 1 Franc. The toning on both is incredible.
  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Totally unacceptable grades IMO.

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