Looks like it turned midnight on Chacon in the offseason, Cano cost the Yankees a win the other night, and the team, after a big first game, can't buy a run.
<< <i>4 games into the season and you ask? Last year the Yankees started the season at 11-19 and we all know who ended up in 1st place in the AL East. >>
If I recall, the Red Sox and Yanks had identical W/L records.
Last year, the Yanks should have self-destructed with all of their pitching woes. Somehow, a patchwork rotation of minor leaguers and castoffs from other teams kept them afloat. This year, it would be hard to see the same thing happening again.
I simply said Chacon reverted to his form he showed so well in Colorado, the yankees actual record, and the yanks offense not being productive since game 1.
It is only April 9th but ARod has been quoted more times already than the rest of the team combined. My personal favourite "We had a very blue-collar approach today," Rodriguez said. "We took good at-bats; I'm very proud of the way the guys went out and swung the bats."
I simply said Chacon reverted to his form he showed so well in Colorado, the yankees actual record, and the yanks offense not being productive since game 1. >>
I just can't believe that I argued all winter long with a baseball "fan" that would judge anybody or team BEFORE the first week of the season is even OVER For cryin out loud the MILWAUKEE BREWERS are UNDEFEATED. The White Sox are 1-4, The Tigers are UNDEFEATED and on pace to hit like 1,000 home runs. What does all this mean? Oh yes, its April 9th !
Listen Ax, if the Yankees are still playing this way on Memorial Day THEN you can say so and so reverted back to this, so and so that and bla bla bla. So, that is how you tried to validate this stupid and moronic thread started by the Sports Forums newest and brightest di$khead ....
The record breaking 1998 Yankees started the season at 1-4 and then they went on to go 124-45 including the post-season.
The Yankees starting pitching has been pretty good. There combined ERA is 3.90. I would take that ERA at the end of the year any day. Randy Johnson has been excellent with at 2.40 ERA. If he continues he should easily win 20+ games. The problem has been with the Yankees hitting. They have been hitting the ball hard but can't seem to buy a hit.
If I recall, the Red Sox and Yanks had identical W/L records.
What I recall is that the Yankees did win the AL East and they came back from being 9 games out to do so.
<< <i> I just can't believe that I argued all winter long with a baseball "fan" that would judge anybody or team BEFORE the first week of the season is even OVER For cryin out loud the MILWAUKEE BREWERS are UNDEFEATED. The White Sox are 1-4, The Tigers are UNDEFEATED and on pace to hit like 1,000 home runs. What does all this mean? Oh yes, its April 9th ! >>
I simply said it was a great season so far...where did I judge anything? Good god you are so quick to jump me on anything I say, you don't take time to COMPREHEND what I say...jesus man!
<< <i>Looks like it turned midnight on Chacon in the offseason >>
THAT is not passing judgment? ha! yeah OK, tell me more You don't see anyone judging Felix after his abysmal control problems the other night do you? You know, this years AL Cy Young
4 walks in 5 innings, let's say he stretches out to 230 innings this year, that equates to 184 walks, still FAR short of the record.
But convenient for you to leave THAT out, wasn't it?
You're making this too easy for me, softy. >>
and FAR short of a AL Cy Young too. As usual you are missing the entire jist of WHY I am getting on Felix. IF Shawn Chacon turns into a pumpkin as you say because of one start then surely you must be concerned about a young kid who can't find the plate after ONE start.
Why don't you look at Chacon's splits (home vs. away) over 2003-2005, and see just how mediocre he is (and how playing in Colorado had little effect on him):
Away 4.30 Home 4.79
As far as Felix goes, yes it was a partial season, and I am not the only one who sees great things ahead for this kid. People who know far more about baseball than either you or I all agree he has some incredible stuff.
If he was a yankee, you'd be bellowing how he's the next Roger Clemens, how he's going to win X number of cy youngs, etc. etc.
<< <i>Why don't you look at Chacon's splits (home vs. away) over 2003-2005, and see just how mediocre he is (and how playing in Colorado had little effect on him):
Away 4.30 Home 4.79
As far as Felix goes, yes it was a partial season, and I am not the only one who sees great things ahead for this kid. People who know far more about baseball than either you or I all agree he has some incredible stuff.
If he was a yankee, you'd be bellowing how he's the next Roger Clemens, how he's going to win X number of cy youngs, etc. etc. >>
So we totally discount what Chacon did last year? NO we don't, he was a big part in helping the Yankees get into the post season. You DO NOT discount such things if ya have any brain cells ....
Felix? We will see. So many kids have come and gone with "GREAT" stuff. With that said, YOU are the one professing him as the AL CY Young this year at such an early stage in his career. THAT would be the OVER HYPE crap you love to put on NY fans and the East Coast media.
<< <i> So we totally discount what Chacon did last year? NO we don't, he was a big part in helping the Yankees get into the post season. You DO NOT discount such things if ya have any brain cells .... >>
Dude, I said 2003-2005. I *think* last year was 2005, was it not? How could I discount if I included it?
<< <i>Felix? We will see. So many kids have come and gone with "GREAT" stuff. With that said, YOU are the one professing him as the AL CY Young this year at such an early stage in his career. THAT would be the OVER HYPE crap you love to put on NY fans and the East Coast media. >>
I also predicted the Mariners to win the AL east...so if you don't see the home team bias there I can't help you.
<< <i> I also predicted the Mariners to win the AL east...so if you don't see the home team bias there I can't help you. >>
Well it would be impossible for the M's to win the AL East but I won't jump on that one I know what you meant. And good for you, rooting for YOUR team is what a FAN DOES.
Ax, it would take a fu&%ing 23-0 season to make those numbers better. A truly fair comparison would be to take his Colorado numbers and then his NY numbers at the END of THIS season.
No, I want a large sample size, both home and away, and 3 seasons worth of starts is a great indicator of his effectiveness both home (colorado) and away...then factor in his yankee starts...you can't just pluck little parts here and there to make your case stronger.
Sorry you feel that you should only look at the good and not the bad, but he was a subpar pitcher away from home in Colorado.
<< <i>No, I want a large sample size, both home and away, and 3 seasons worth of starts is a great indicator of his effectiveness both home (colorado) and away...then factor in his yankee starts...you can't just pluck little parts here and there to make your case stronger.
Sorry you feel that you should only look at the good and not the bad, but he was a subpar pitcher away from home in Colorado. >>
No, what you want makes no sense. You take Chacons numbers with Colorado and then you take his numbers with the Yankees. Or you take nothing at all.
Your analysis is flawed to highest degree. I would have loved to see your comments on Tom Glavine early in his career Not to say that Chacon will ever be half of what Glavine has become but you seem to think that a player can never get better as a Yankee Ax. Even a pitcher from Colorado.
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4 games into the season and you ask? Last year the Yankees started the season at 11-19 and we all know who ended up in 1st place in the AL East.
Great season so far!
<< <i>4 games into the season and you ask? Last year the Yankees started the season at 11-19 and we all know who ended up in 1st place in the AL East. >>
If I recall, the Red Sox and Yanks had identical W/L records.
Last year, the Yanks should have self-destructed with all of their pitching woes. Somehow, a patchwork rotation of minor leaguers and castoffs from other teams kept them afloat. This year, it would be hard to see the same thing happening again.
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Who's validating what?
I simply said Chacon reverted to his form he showed so well in Colorado, the yankees actual record, and the yanks offense not being productive since game 1.
<< <i>softy-
Who's validating what?
I simply said Chacon reverted to his form he showed so well in Colorado, the yankees actual record, and the yanks offense not being productive since game 1. >>
I just can't believe that I argued all winter long with a baseball "fan" that would judge anybody or team BEFORE the first week of the season is even OVER
Listen Ax, if the Yankees are still playing this way on Memorial Day THEN you can say so and so reverted back to this, so and so that and bla bla bla. So, that is how you tried to validate this stupid and moronic thread started by the Sports Forums newest and brightest di$khead ....
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The record breaking 1998 Yankees started the season at 1-4 and then they went on to go 124-45 including the post-season.
The Yankees starting pitching has been pretty good. There combined ERA is 3.90. I would take that ERA at the end of the year any day. Randy Johnson has been excellent with at 2.40 ERA. If he continues he should easily win 20+ games. The problem has been with the Yankees hitting. They have been hitting the ball hard but can't seem to buy a hit.
If I recall, the Red Sox and Yanks had identical W/L records.
What I recall is that the Yankees did win the AL East and they came back from being 9 games out to do so.
The record breaking 1998 Yankees started the season at 1-4 and then they went on to go 124-45 including the post-season.
Correction: they went on to go 124-46.
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I just can't believe that I argued all winter long with a baseball "fan" that would judge anybody or team BEFORE the first week of the season is even OVER
I simply said it was a great season so far...where did I judge anything? Good god you are so quick to jump me on anything I say, you don't take time to COMPREHEND what I say...jesus man!
<< <i>Looks like it turned midnight on Chacon in the offseason
>>
THAT is not passing judgment? ha! yeah OK, tell me more
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<< <i>Based on his first start, it's an absolutely accurate statement. >>
thats fine Ax. Based on Felix's first start he will probably set an M's record for walks in a season.
You starting to see the light yet? Its April 9th!
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4 walks in a start would hardly qualify him for the most walks allowed in a season. Let's assume 35 starts, 4 walks per is 140...the record is 289.
Nice try though.
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4 walks in 5 innings, let's say he stretches out to 230 innings this year, that equates to 184 walks, still FAR short of the record.
But convenient for you to leave THAT out, wasn't it?
You're making this too easy for me, softy.
<< <i>Ok you wanna go on worst case scenario?
4 walks in 5 innings, let's say he stretches out to 230 innings this year, that equates to 184 walks, still FAR short of the record.
But convenient for you to leave THAT out, wasn't it?
You're making this too easy for me, softy. >>
and FAR short of a AL Cy Young too. As usual you are missing the entire jist of WHY I am getting on Felix. IF Shawn Chacon turns into a pumpkin as you say because of one start then surely you must be concerned about a young kid who can't find the plate after ONE start.
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True or false: Felix was outstanding in his time in the majors?
Who is more likely to revert to their career averages?
Question # 2 ---- What time in the majors? A partial 1st season?
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Away 4.30
Home 4.79
As far as Felix goes, yes it was a partial season, and I am not the only one who sees great things ahead for this kid. People who know far more about baseball than either you or I all agree he has some incredible stuff.
If he was a yankee, you'd be bellowing how he's the next Roger Clemens, how he's going to win X number of cy youngs, etc. etc.
<< <i>Why don't you look at Chacon's splits (home vs. away) over 2003-2005, and see just how mediocre he is (and how playing in Colorado had little effect on him):
Away 4.30
Home 4.79
As far as Felix goes, yes it was a partial season, and I am not the only one who sees great things ahead for this kid. People who know far more about baseball than either you or I all agree he has some incredible stuff.
If he was a yankee, you'd be bellowing how he's the next Roger Clemens, how he's going to win X number of cy youngs, etc. etc. >>
So we totally discount what Chacon did last year? NO we don't, he was a big part in helping the Yankees get into the post season. You DO NOT discount such things if ya have any brain cells ....
Felix? We will see. So many kids have come and gone with "GREAT" stuff. With that said, YOU are the one professing him as the AL CY Young this year at such an early stage in his career. THAT would be the OVER HYPE crap you love to put on NY fans and the East Coast media.
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<< <i>
So we totally discount what Chacon did last year? NO we don't, he was a big part in helping the Yankees get into the post season. You DO NOT discount such things if ya have any brain cells ....
>>
Dude, I said 2003-2005. I *think* last year was 2005, was it not? How could I discount if I included it?
<< <i>Felix? We will see. So many kids have come and gone with "GREAT" stuff. With that said, YOU are the one professing him as the AL CY Young this year at such an early stage in his career. THAT would be the OVER HYPE crap you love to put on NY fans and the East Coast media. >>
I also predicted the Mariners to win the AL east...so if you don't see the home team bias there I can't help you.
<< <i>
I also predicted the Mariners to win the AL east...so if you don't see the home team bias there I can't help you. >>
Well it would be impossible for the M's to win the AL East but I won't jump on that one
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Based on Felix's first start he will probably set an M's record for walks in a season.
What Hole said:
4 walks in a start would hardly qualify him for the most walks allowed in a season. Let's assume 35 starts, 4 walks per is 140...the record is 289.
Nice try though.
What I say:
I was unaware that Amos Rusie (the guy with 289 walks in a season) played for the Mariners.
What Hole said:
you don't take time to COMPREHEND
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LOL yeah you sure Comprehend yourself.
Steve
Sorry you feel that you should only look at the good and not the bad, but he was a subpar pitcher away from home in Colorado.
<< <i>No, I want a large sample size, both home and away, and 3 seasons worth of starts is a great indicator of his effectiveness both home (colorado) and away...then factor in his yankee starts...you can't just pluck little parts here and there to make your case stronger.
Sorry you feel that you should only look at the good and not the bad, but he was a subpar pitcher away from home in Colorado. >>
No, what you want makes no sense. You take Chacons numbers with Colorado and then you take his numbers with the Yankees. Or you take nothing at all.
Your analysis is flawed to highest degree. I would have loved to see your comments on Tom Glavine early in his career
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