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This could be a great discussion. 5 tool player?

kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
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How many were there? are there now?

Mays
Clemente?

take the debate from there..

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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Vladimir Guerrero

    Ken Griffey Jr

    Andruw Jones

    (I hate to say it, but) Barry Bonds
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  • Dallas88Dallas88 Posts: 746 ✭
    Probably Arod
  • 80sToyguy80sToyguy Posts: 383
    Mr. Maple Ridge B.C, Larry Walker!
    And yes, Vladdy!
    How about the Hawk Dawson?

    One many times forgotten but had a pretty good 5 year run--HOJO in New York.

    Jay
  • Dallas88Dallas88 Posts: 746 ✭
    ...forgot possibilities of Bench, Schmidt, Brett.....from my "youth"
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Robinson Cano?

    Oh wait you didn't say one tool, you said 5.

    My bad.

  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    ok define 5 tool player? was mays? was clemente?
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    Bonds 5 tool? I thought defense was one of those tools? Bonds has always had a weak arm and cost his team a world championship
    in the field. Is defense not a 5 tool measurement?

    JS
  • iamthegreatcornholioiamthegreatcornholio Posts: 3,366


    << <i>ok define 5 tool player? was mays? was clemente? >>



    Clemente died way before I was born, but looking at his stats I'd say no based on the lack of power hitting (only hit over 23 HRs once [29])

    5 tool player

    1. Hitting for average
    2. Hitting for power
    3. Running speed
    4. Arm strength
    5. Fielding ability

    I guess to quantify it:

    Hitting for average is easy - batting average

    Hitting for power - HR's and extra base hits

    Running speed - stolen bases

    Arm Strength - tough, maybe assists for outfielders? runners caught stealing for catchers

    Fielding ability - fielding percentage

  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    Al Kaline.
    The Mick despite having bad knees.
    Willie Mays
    Clemente
    A Rod
    Griffey
    Stan Musial (not a speed demon but a smart baserunner)
    Joltin Joe
    No particular order except Mays at the top.
    Tony(AN ANGEL WATCHES OVER ME)
  • WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    5 tool player

    1. Hitting for average
    2. Hitting for power
    3. Running speed
    4. Arm strength
    5. Fielding ability
    >>



    What about Rickey Henderson? He's seems to fit those from what I know.
  • jamesyjamesy Posts: 132
    Hank Aaron
    Collect vintage basketball and baseball,graded rookies allsports, Robin Yount,Brewers,Bucks,Packers
    Putting together a set of 61 Fleer Basketball PSA 7 or better.
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  • fab4fab4 Posts: 280 ✭✭


    << <i>Bonds has always had a weak arm and cost his team a world championship >>




    he looks like the quarterback from fsu.
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mays was probably the best of his generation, Bobby Bonds was pretty good in his heyday, nowadays I think there are too many to name any one individual as the best.
  • tkd7tkd7 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭
    Ken Griffey Jr. (KGJ)
  • Writer11Writer11 Posts: 738 ✭
    How about Vernon Wells with the Blue Jays?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Brian

    Actually Clemente was a 5 tool player. To consider just Home runs does not give a truly accurate description for power. He constantly hit in double figures for triples and for his era was as feared as Mays and the other boys.

    His lifetime slugging pct was around 90 points higher then league average too.

    Steve

    edited to add: brian saw where you did indeed say extra base hits too. however, for his era the amount of total bases he has would in my opinion include him as a 5 tooler. he could throw, run, hit, hit for power and was among the best fielders of his generation.



    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Robinson Cano?

    Oh wait you didn't say one tool, you said 5.


    Too bad the question wasn't:

    Who or what is a TOOL?

    Then , of course the answer would have been ax........hole


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    WP your fascination with me and my posts is starting to become disturbing.

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    You mean like your moronic post in the 52 Mantle thread to me? I think it is indeed you that has the man crush. I simply reply to your crapola. School you if you will.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    You are beyond schooling...you've been schooled and 'owned' (as softy likes to say) so many times you don't know which way is up.

    Now, don't you have homework you should be doing? Your mommy's gonna be mad if she catches you on the computer again.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    lol

    in your dreams Hole.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭


    << <i>Robinson Cano?

    Oh wait you didn't say one tool, you said 5.

    My bad. >>




    You're great at recognizing one tool players, since you sure are ONE BIG TOOOOOL!

    Too much talk for a Mariners fan.



  • alnavmanalnavman Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭
    Don't know if he will do it or not but Grady Sizemore on the Indians seems like he might be a future great player....did anyone see his catch yesterday against the Twins.....he's been doing it for over a year now, he has speed, power, hits for decent average now and that should go up if he cuts down on his K's.....and his arm isn't bad.
  • kuhlmannkuhlmann Posts: 3,326 ✭✭
    ok by career stats what numbers would be considered in the 5 tool's?

    like how many homers how many sb's etc.. 300 homers would then state he is a power hitter?
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Robinson Cano?

    Oh wait you didn't say one tool, you said 5.

    My bad. >>




    You're great at recognizing one tool players, since you sure are ONE BIG TOOOOOL!

    Too much talk for a Mariners fan. >>



    No no no you got that alll wrong, you meant to say I *have* one big tool...as I am sure many women you know could attest to.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Listen big guy, from the way you post it would appear that your ''tool' has not been used for quite sometime. (other then, perhaps your right hand)

    Now get back under the bed and suck that thumb of yours. Be sure to also go over my post with a fine tooth comb so you can PM with any mis spellings I may have.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Be sure to also go over my post with a fine tooth comb so you can PM with any mis spellings I may have.

    Steve >>



    Heh you don't need a fine tooth comb to find your *misspellings* ya dweeb.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    lol you took the bait ya moron.

    no pm this time?

    thought you was done?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • CubbyCubby Posts: 2,096 ✭
    Vladdy Guerrero

    Derrek Lee


    BTW: Cubby=Cub Fan
  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,643 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alex Rios is on his way to a breakout 5-tool season
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