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This could be a great discussion. 5 tool player?
kuhlmann
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How many were there? are there now?
Mays
Clemente?
take the debate from there..
Mays
Clemente?
take the debate from there..
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kuhlmann
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Ken Griffey Jr
Andruw Jones
(I hate to say it, but) Barry Bonds
And yes, Vladdy!
How about the Hawk Dawson?
One many times forgotten but had a pretty good 5 year run--HOJO in New York.
Jay
Oh wait you didn't say one tool, you said 5.
My bad.
in the field. Is defense not a 5 tool measurement?
JS
<< <i>ok define 5 tool player? was mays? was clemente? >>
Clemente died way before I was born, but looking at his stats I'd say no based on the lack of power hitting (only hit over 23 HRs once [29])
5 tool player
1. Hitting for average
2. Hitting for power
3. Running speed
4. Arm strength
5. Fielding ability
I guess to quantify it:
Hitting for average is easy - batting average
Hitting for power - HR's and extra base hits
Running speed - stolen bases
Arm Strength - tough, maybe assists for outfielders? runners caught stealing for catchers
Fielding ability - fielding percentage
The Mick despite having bad knees.
Willie Mays
Clemente
A Rod
Griffey
Stan Musial (not a speed demon but a smart baserunner)
Joltin Joe
No particular order except Mays at the top.
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5 tool player
1. Hitting for average
2. Hitting for power
3. Running speed
4. Arm strength
5. Fielding ability
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What about Rickey Henderson? He's seems to fit those from what I know.
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<< <i>Bonds has always had a weak arm and cost his team a world championship >>
he looks like the quarterback from fsu.
Actually Clemente was a 5 tool player. To consider just Home runs does not give a truly accurate description for power. He constantly hit in double figures for triples and for his era was as feared as Mays and the other boys.
His lifetime slugging pct was around 90 points higher then league average too.
Steve
edited to add: brian saw where you did indeed say extra base hits too. however, for his era the amount of total bases he has would in my opinion include him as a 5 tooler. he could throw, run, hit, hit for power and was among the best fielders of his generation.
Oh wait you didn't say one tool, you said 5.
Too bad the question wasn't:
Who or what is a TOOL?
Then , of course the answer would have been ax........hole
Steve
Steve
Now, don't you have homework you should be doing? Your mommy's gonna be mad if she catches you on the computer again.
in your dreams Hole.
Steve
<< <i>Robinson Cano?
Oh wait you didn't say one tool, you said 5.
My bad. >>
You're great at recognizing one tool players, since you sure are ONE BIG TOOOOOL!
Too much talk for a Mariners fan.
like how many homers how many sb's etc.. 300 homers would then state he is a power hitter?
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<< <i>Robinson Cano?
Oh wait you didn't say one tool, you said 5.
My bad. >>
You're great at recognizing one tool players, since you sure are ONE BIG TOOOOOL!
Too much talk for a Mariners fan. >>
No no no you got that alll wrong, you meant to say I *have* one big tool...as I am sure many women you know could attest to.
Now get back under the bed and suck that thumb of yours. Be sure to also go over my post with a fine tooth comb so you can PM with any mis spellings I may have.
Steve
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Be sure to also go over my post with a fine tooth comb so you can PM with any mis spellings I may have.
Steve >>
Heh you don't need a fine tooth comb to find your *misspellings* ya dweeb.
no pm this time?
thought you was done?
Steve
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