1986 Fleer Michael Jordan BGS 10
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Buyer beware!!!
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
is this true?
Thanks,
David (LD_Ferg)
1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
Anyway, I do congratulate Beckett on announcing it was a PSA 10. Although I wonder if they didn't do this in order to alleviate any potential future buyers' concerns on whether or not this card was fresh from the pack or fresh from the sheet.
<< <i>Wasn't there a big story a few months ago about some dealer buying a huge lot unopened sportscard cases from a private collection, one case being a '86 Fleer? I wonder if it came from that. >>
Dave and Adams Cardworld made the big purchase, but I doubt this came from that. Just one of those trim jobs where the fella finally got it right. Look for BGS Brad to sell it for 100,000 on Ebay to a guy with 0 feedback.............
Looks like a solid PSA 10!!!
Gawd, Beckett is a fraud. They were recognized as the "top grading company" by the readers of some B.S. magazine and they've been trumping it in their magazine for over 2 years now.
<< <i>I'd be wary of BGS 10s or whatever cards they grade over there "across the street." It wouldn't surprise me if this card is cut from a sheet or trimmed!
Buyer beware!!!
There you go again da big ........... Envious ?????? It is a magnificent card and there is no denying it. All you guys are crazy for not realizing it and maybe a little envious. chaz
That's why PSA is so popular with collectors. You know what you're getting with PSA. No cut sheets, no bump up in grades and no press releases trumpeting a card they graded.
BGS puts out such releases because they're insecure about the product they push. Something the PROFESSIONALS at PSA need not worry about.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>I think in general, it's safe to say when a card is graded BGS 10, there's a VERY good chance it was cut from a sheet.
That's why PSA is so popular with collectors. You know what you're getting with PSA. No cut sheets, no bump up in grades and no press releases trumpeting a card they graded.
BGS puts out such releases because they're insecure about the product they push. Something the PROFESSIONALS at PSA need not worry about.
How do you know for sure if it was cut from a sheet especially since it was a cross from a PSA 10 ????? PSA grades hand cut cards .......so what????????? chaz
Chaz, you REALLY need to get some new material.
<< <i>BGS took possession of the card at the recent Chicago Sun-Times card show. The owner delivered the previously PSA 10 graded card to BGS and requested that the card be “crossed over.” The owner’s aim with crossing this card over was to increase the recognized value of the card on the secondary market by having the recognized leader in the grading industry slab or encase the Jordan rookie card. BGS has been recognized by consumers for the last six years in a row as the industry’s top grading company. >>
What a bunch of self-serving crapola. Can things really be this bad over at Beckett that they are now resorting to this type of press release?
And, which consumers exactly have annointed BGS the industry's top grading company? Besides, BGSBrad that is.
Rookie. Here is the link:
Link to BGS 10 Pujols Thread
I guess am kinda glad my prediction came true? Who knows.
/s/ JackWESQ
<< <i>Here we go again.
Chaz, you REALLY need to get some new material.
No, you guys gotta stop slingin' all the crap about sheet cut, trimmed, hand cut whatever.........
chaz
lsuconnman@yahoo.com
THE WAGNER WAS NOT TRIMMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111one
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>YOU HAVE NO PROOF THAT THE WAGNER IS TRIMMED!! NONE WHATSOEVER AND I'M SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE TRYING TO BASH AND TEAR DOWN PSA! I WON'T STAND FOR IT! THEY'VE MADE MANY SELLERS A LOT OF MONEY WITH THEIR GRADING!
THE WAGNER WAS NOT TRIMMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111one >>
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<< <i>I think in general, it's safe to say when a card is graded BGS 10, there's a VERY good chance it was cut from a sheet.
That's why PSA is so popular with collectors. You know what you're getting with PSA. No cut sheets, no bump up in grades and no press releases trumpeting a card they graded.
BGS puts out such releases because they're insecure about the product they push. Something the PROFESSIONALS at PSA need not worry about.
How do you know for sure if it was cut from a sheet especially since it was a cross from a PSA 10 ????? PSA grades hand cut cards .......so what????????? chaz >>
Chaz, a few points:
(1) DaBigHurt quite deliberately spews over-the-top pro-PSA propaganda at every opportunity. Some of us get the joke; others don't. My advice to you is to lighten up and not take him seriously.
(2) Yes, PSA will grade hand-cut cards, but only in the case where the card set was distributed exclusively in sheets or panels (e.g. cards from Hostess boxes). They will not grade cards hand-cut from sheets which were available in factory-cut form.
(3) It is well known that BGS grades cards cut from sheets outside the factory. Martin Sports Cards makes a good living from this. Any high-grade OPC card you see in a BGS holder without a hint of rough edges is likely sheet-cut, especially if the Surface sub-grade is the lowest of the four. Many people, myself included, will not touch sheet-cut cards, as it is our belief that they must be cut in the factory of origin. If you believe otherwise, that's fine, but don't expect a lot of agreement on these boards. This fact makes the Jordan card suspect. I don't think anyone here is saying that it is 100%, without-a-doubt sheet-cut, but I'd say it's a pretty big risk to take for such a high-dollar card.
Sure they may grade sheetcuts, but unless PSA did too, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, that talk is misplaced.
All that Fooey aside, a simply beautiful card - both PSA and BGS were right on - 10.
Bosox1976
<< <i>The specific card being discussed WAS A PSA 10 CROSSOVER to BGS 10. Way too much sheet cut talk going on here about this specific item.
Sure they may grade sheetcuts, but unless PSA did too, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, that talk is misplaced.
All that Fooey aside, a simply beautiful card - both PSA and BGS were right on - 10. >>
Exactly my point. Funny how a card can quadruple (or much more) in value going from PSA 10 --> BGS 10 holders. Makes it hard to stomach. However, I can't blame the seller for flipping the card for a $50,000 profit ASAP
Shane
<< <i>No, you surely can't blame the owner - but $50,000 for the same card? Absolutely ridiculous. Money aside, I would rather have it in a PSA 10 holder. >>
Give me a break will you? A little competition never hurt anyone. Do you want every car to be a General Motors???? It would be pretty boring......... Chaz
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<< <i>I think in general, it's safe to say when a card is graded BGS 10, there's a VERY good chance it was cut from a sheet.
That's why PSA is so popular with collectors. You know what you're getting with PSA. No cut sheets, no bump up in grades and no press releases trumpeting a card they graded.
BGS puts out such releases because they're insecure about the product they push. Something the PROFESSIONALS at PSA need not worry about.
How do you know for sure if it was cut from a sheet especially since it was a cross from a PSA 10 ????? PSA grades hand cut cards .......so what????????? chaz >>
Chaz, a few points:
(1) DaBigHurt quite deliberately spews over-the-top pro-PSA propaganda at every opportunity. Some of us get the joke; others don't. My advice to you is to lighten up and not take him seriously.
(2) Yes, PSA will grade hand-cut cards, but only in the case where the card set was distributed exclusively in sheets or panels (e.g. cards from Hostess boxes). They will not grade cards hand-cut from sheets which were available in factory-cut form.
(3) It is well known that BGS grades cards cut from sheets outside the factory. Martin Sports Cards makes a good living from this. Any high-grade OPC card you see in a BGS holder without a hint of rough edges is likely sheet-cut, especially if the Surface sub-grade is the lowest of the four. Many people, myself included, will not touch sheet-cut cards, as it is our belief that they must be cut in the factory of origin. If you believe otherwise, that's fine, but don't expect a lot of agreement on these boards. This fact makes the Jordan card suspect. I don't think anyone here is saying that it is 100%, without-a-doubt sheet-cut, but I'd say it's a pretty big risk to take for such a high-dollar card. >>
I will take your points one by one:
1) It gets real old hearing the crap all of the time. Shouldn't we on this board hold ourselves to a higher standard?
2) Again, you are trying to defend a grading process that is strictly subjective my friend. NO right or wrong hand cut vs sheet cut.
3)So what about the sheet cut? I just "hand cut" with my exacto blade a bunch of 1959 bazooka cards from a bazooka box(I should keep the box intact, it is worth more) and submitted them to PSA for grading and I will get good money for these "hand cut" cards. All subjective my freind. chaz