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Neat Counterfeit Morgan 1885-S

ddbirdddbird Posts: 3,168 ✭✭✭
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Picked this up on ebay, I was hoping it was a counterfeit. IMO, this is a great example. Not sure if its struck or cast, but in hand it looks like the real deal minus a few details. I thought it was interesting that this Morgan also has some neat clash marks...

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First the Date looks odd, especially the "5" The legend and stars are flat and misshapen.

Though the biggest "give aways" are the mint mark and reeding...

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The "S" is obviously too small and almost of a different font.

The reeding is exceptional until this one spot where they look crammed together...

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Anyone have any idea how to tell if its a newer counterfeit or an older one? Im not even sure of the metal, looks like silver but could easily be something else.

Thanks
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  • 13PacesEast13PacesEast Posts: 712 ✭
    You sure it's not just some new VAM?



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  • nesvtnesvt Posts: 2,214
    The bottom of RIB looks very strange... as do other letters. The 'S' mint mark seems like evidence enough. Have you weighed it?

    Added: it looks like they copied a 21-S reverse. Maybe it was near 1921, so they went with an older reverse and faked the wear.

  • jdsinvajdsinva Posts: 1,508 ✭


    << <i>The bottom of RIB looks very strange... as do other letters. The 'S' mint mark seems like evidence enough. Have you weighed it?

    Added: it looks like they copied a 21-S reverse. Maybe it was near 1921, so they went with an older reverse and faked the wear. >>



    Sure enough Norm, it is a 21 reverse on that coin.
    Jeff

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,291 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like one of the many fake dollars that are coming out of China.



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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    gotta admit, seen worse though !
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  • wam98wam98 Posts: 2,685 ✭
    Just when you thought it was safe to buy an 85 S. image
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  • 1921obsession1921obsession Posts: 559 ✭
    The serifs are a dead giveaway.
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  • MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    Here is a counterfeit I picked up at the flea market a while back image
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