A VERY Cool Pattern/Die Trial: J-1804-2, 1804 Dime Struck on Large Cent Planchet (1 of 2 known)--Jud

airplanenut

Here's a very cool piece that I just had the pleasure of photographing. One of two known, this obverse die trial for the 1804 dime was struck, most likely outside the mint, on a copper large cent planchet.

RYK

Neat! An old coin turd.

DUIGUY

<< <i>Neat! An old coin turd. >>

EagleEye

Are you sure it's a die trial for the Mint? Looks like a counterfeiter's die trial.

goose3

the numismatist's version of Jesus on a grilled cheese sammich.

DickyBetz

<< <i>Are you sure it's a die trial for the Mint? Looks like a counterfeiter's die trial. >>



I dont think so. It is the plate coin for the Judd book.

Awesome piece of history there Jeremy.

airplanenut

<< <i>Are you sure it's a die trial for the Mint? Looks like a counterfeiter's die trial. >>

Rick, as Greg mentioned, this is the Judd plate coin. Judd notes, " Obverse of regular die. Copper. Struck outside the mint from a discarded die. Two known, one of which was struck over a large cent."

USPatterns.Com has this to say: "This is an 1804 obverse die trial in copper probably struck outside the mint from dies sold as scrap. Only 2 are known both struck on large cent planchets."

Jeremy

EagleEye

Yes, I see the resemblance now. Swiss cheese by the way!

LALASD4

How could it be call a die trial if it was struck after regular production has begun?

How could it be call a die trial if the Mint didn't produced it?

How could it be call a die trial if the design is the same as the regular dime?

How come the secret service did not confiscate this coin that was struck illegally outside the Mint?

Just a few questions that went through my mind.

Coinosaurus

That would be even cooler if it was an 1804 dollar

chabot510

is it for sale?

MrEureka

There are a number of "coins" that were struck with discarded dies back in the 19th century. They are very popular, and I have sold a number of them in excess of 20K each. Not that I like the value, but that's the market.

Given that people on these boards trash Class III 1804 dollars because they're restrikes, I have no doubt this 1804 dime should prepare to be flamed.

ColonialCoinUnion

<< <i>the numismatist's version of Jesus on a grilled cheese sammich. >>



Thats good stuff!

pontiacinf

<< <i>the numismatist's version of Jesus on a grilled cheese sammich. >>



hey Im still making grilled cheese samiches trying to create the stations of the cross, then im gonna sell it to the nuts at golden palace casino for 30k

MrEureka

It's interesting that there is so much post-strike damage. You would think anyone striking this piece from a discarded die would sell the coin to a collector, and the piece would remain uncirculated, like all other coins struck from discarded US Mint dies. Could it be that this piece is really a US Mint product? Can we figure it out from the die state?