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::REVEALED:: Here's an 1892-S Morgan that was found wanting with NGC. Guess the Grade!

braddickbraddick Posts: 24,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Ok, NGC got a hold of this 1892-S Morgan and quickly shuffled it over to NCS. Can you tell why? NCS graded it and noted the issues. Can you? What is so terribly wrong with this key date Morgan that kept NGC from wrapping their plastic around it?

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  • wam98wam98 Posts: 2,685 ✭
    Looks like something has been removed around the date, stars and motto, maybe. image
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  • dan383dan383 Posts: 812
    The breast feathers look funny , as well as Miss Liberty's hair lines
    I'll guess retooled ??


    Dan
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,694 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's an Accented Hair Morgan! image Looks like tooling on Miss Liberty's hair and the eagle's breast, maybe also on the top of the (viewer's) left wing.


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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You guys are on track but I need just a little more out of you...


    (Hint: tooling? That's not the word NCS used on the insert. . .) image
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Somebody went tooling around- coin people are so resourceful and honest!! image
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  • dan383dan383 Posts: 812
    "altered surfaces".............The same thing.........


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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    engraving? etching? image
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  • OffMetalOffMetal Posts: 1,684 ✭
    Not an expert... is it whizzed?
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  • poorguypoorguy Posts: 4,317 ✭
    It's a 1921 with the date digits moved around. image

    edit to add: The eagle's breastfeathers look like they've been re-carved and so does Liberty's hair.
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  • PeacemanPeaceman Posts: 5,098
    Loks like re-engraving over the entire hair area... look at the back of the head and how smooth it is and compare it to the hair.......
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,166 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>"altered surfaces".............The same thing......... Dan >>

    Nope!

    Come on. You're thiiiiiiisssss close to getting it....

    Last hint:

    Think Hobo Nickels.

    Or, Love Tokens.
  • longtimecollectorlongtimecollector Posts: 2,368 ✭
    re-engraved ?
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Pat, if that is a die chip on eagles right wing (our left) then you have one of the most valuable VAMS out there. The last one that I know of sold for 33k+.image



















    just kidding image
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BAM!!

    You guys are GOOD!

    image

    The workmanship on this one is outstanding. Although not to a point of deception, the beauty, even close up, is terrific and the attention to detail pretty amazing.

    The hair and complete eagle is engraved and then the coin lightly polished/burnished to blend in the carving.

    Kind of a shame as the host coin was a high circulated grade to begin with.
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,279 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is the hair over the ear tooled? I haven't looked yet.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,166 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Something I just noticed: Does anyone else think the second S in STATES looks off?
  • MORGANHUNTER2MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭
    Excellent carving skills

    I need this person at the house on Thanksgiving..
  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭
    Pat, did you really not notice the tooling? image
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,166 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Pat, did you really not notice the tooling? image >>

    No, I noticed the engraving. In fact it's why I purchased this one. I collect engraved coins and this one fits the bill. image
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    The hair over the ear really does look like it was tooled. If you look at it, it becomes pretty obvious.

    Tom
    Tom

  • Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭


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    << <i>Pat, did you really not notice the tooling? image >>

    No, I noticed the engraving. In fact it's why I purchased this one. I collect engraved coins and this one fits the bill. image[/q

    So, knowing it was engraved, why did you send it to NGC? Just testing them to see if they would notice?
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,166 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Pat, did you really not notice the tooling? image >>

    No, I noticed the engraving. In fact it's why I purchased this one. I collect engraved coins and this one fits the bill. image[/q So, knowing it was engraved, why did you send it to NGC? Just testing them to see if they would notice? >>

    No- that's the story I was told. I purchased it already holdered. I was fortunute to have the original submitter (not a board member) write me and give me the details of the coin.
  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,054 ✭✭✭
    Its been TOOLED.......

    TorinoCobra71

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