Cowboys sign vanderjagt!!
kuhlmann
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well im thinking we might make a run at the superbowl now. solid kicker compared to last year! I cant weait for the draft now!
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but he is a damn good kicker.
If we had Vandy last year we make the playoffs
Uhhhhhh doubt it
Which reminds me, speaking of kickers, you guys are tons under the cap but still couldn't muster up enough dough to keep one of the main reasons why you even have S.B rings
<< <i> Which reminds me, speaking of kickers, you guys are tons under the cap but still couldn't muster up enough dough to keep one of the main reasons why you even have S.B rings >>
Good point. And why does it seem the Boston/New Englander takes more offense to a player leaving for somewhere else? This happens EVERYWHERE EVERY year. Is it the long, dark, and cold winters?
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<< <i> Which reminds me, speaking of kickers, you guys are tons under the cap but still couldn't muster up enough dough to keep one of the main reasons why you even have S.B rings >>
Good point. And why does it seem the Boston/New Englander takes more offense to a player leaving for somewhere else? This happens EVERYWHERE EVERY year. Is it the long, dark, and cold winters?
Why did they not re-sign him?
Does anyone want to question Belicheck or the ownership? Unlike the Eagles, the Patriots have been successful by keeping those players who are irreplaceable (Brady), and signing cheaper, younger, better versions of the vets they let go.
Vinateri will be 33, and wanted 3+ million per year. I can definitely understand the hesitation is ponying up that much cash for a kicker that age.
That said, he won't be missed in Indy. Especially after the Colts replaced him with Vinatieri.
<< <i>Vinateri will be 33, and wanted 3+ million per year. I can definitely understand the hesitation is ponying up that much cash for a kicker that age. >>
Reports are the Colts signed him for 2.5 per year. Also Vanderjagt is 37, so Vinatieri being 33 doesn't seem like such a big deal.
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<< <i>Vinateri will be 33, and wanted 3+ million per year. I can definitely understand the hesitation is ponying up that much cash for a kicker that age. >>
Reports are the Colts signed him for 2.5 per year. Also Vanderjagt is 37, so Vinatieri being 33 doesn't seem like such a big deal. >>
Not a big deal for the Colts, but for the Pats it was.
<< <i>Can you imagine the Cowboys locker room with Vanderjerk and T.O. together? What a nightmare that's going to be... >>
I don't think Vanderjagt is anywhere near the disruption TO was. Vandy said a few things that honestly, a lot of Colts fans were thinking at the time. And he said them on some Canadian program that he probably didn't think anyone waswatching. I don't think he would have said the same thing on ESPN. Sure, he's cocky, but most good kickers are.
TO on the other hand...
He said those things after having a few drinks on our television network called "The Score" which, at that time in the evening, has hundreds of thousands of viewers (we have 3 sports networks here, "The Score" is demolishing the other 2 in ratings). He wanted to say those things to get the team going and yes, he was absolutely right about what he said. Even after saying it though, Manning choked much more than he did against Pit, ya he got them close at the end, but what a brutal game up until then. If Manning simply has a typical Manning game, Colts win easily and Van is still part of that team a year later with a Superbowl ring.
Jay
33 for a kicker is not old lol
If he was lining up somewhere in a 3-4 defense maybe but he's a kicker
Kickers have known to kick succcsesfully into their 40's
Dave
<< <i>Hey Petescorner.
He said those things after having a few drinks on our television network called "The Score" which, at that time in the evening, has hundreds of thousands of viewers (we have 3 sports networks here, "The Score" is demolishing the other 2 in ratings). He wanted to say those things to get the team going and yes, he was absolutely right about what he said. Even after saying it though, Manning choked much more than he did against Pit, ya he got them close at the end, but what a brutal game up until then. If Manning simply has a typical Manning game, Colts win easily and Van is still part of that team a year later with a Superbowl ring.
Jay >>
How can you say Manning choked? The offensive line play was horrible that game (they actually played poorly the last 3 weeks of the regular season, too.) Pittsburgh was in the Indy backfield at the snap of the ball almost the entire game sacking Manning 5 times. Still he threw for almost 300 yards. Vanderjagt comes in and doesn't just miss, but misses wide by 50 feet! That was the worst miss I have seen since he missed in the Miami playoff game by about the same distance (I was at that game seated in the same endzone he was kicking towards.)
But back to the original point about Vandy being "disruptive," I don't see that as being the case. Like I said earlier, there were a lot of Colt fans thinking the same thing at the time he made those comments on "Score." And other than that, he hasn't said or done anything disruptive to the Colts, and I'm sure he won't in Dallas, either. He'll probably play real well for the Cowboys, as long as he doesn't have to win a playoff game with a FG.
<< <i>Vinateri will be 33, and wanted 3+ million per year. I can definitely understand the hesitation is ponying up that much cash for a kicker that age
33 for a kicker is not old lol >>
How many kickers his age are making upwards of 3 million a year?
<< <i>How can you say Manning choked? The offensive line play was horrible that game (they actually played poorly the last 3 weeks of the regular season, too.) Pittsburgh was in the Indy backfield at the snap of the ball almost the entire game sacking Manning 5 times. Still he threw for almost 300 yards. Vanderjagt comes in and doesn't just miss, but misses wide by 50 feet! That was the worst miss I have seen since he missed in the Miami playoff game by about the same distance (I was at that game seated in the same endzone he was kicking towards.) >>
Uhm, did you see his stats in the first half? Horrific. And if Manning sees that the Pittsburgh defense is in the backfield as soon as the ball's snapped, it's HIS responsibility to make play changes....he takes all the credit for making reads at the line, for being his own offensive coordinator, he has to take the blame when he can't make adjustments. So what if Vandy missed a FG? The blame for the game being put on that one kick is solely on Manning, who choked (AGAIN) in big game situations. It's been his MO his entire college and pro career.
How many kickers deserve to make upwards of 3 million a year, regardless of age ?
If any kicker does deserve it, it's him
Dave
<< <i>Uhm, did you see his stats in the first half? Horrific. And if Manning sees that the Pittsburgh defense is in the backfield as soon as the ball's snapped, it's HIS responsibility to make play changes....he takes all the credit for making reads at the line, for being his own offensive coordinator, he has to take the blame when he can't make adjustments. So what if Vandy missed a FG? The blame for the game being put on that one kick is solely on Manning, who choked (AGAIN) in big game situations. It's been his MO his entire college and pro career. >>
Of course I saw his stats in the first half. There isn't a quartrback in the league who would have had decent numbers with that kind of protection. Changes were made and the offense ran better in the second half. I hate to say this, Axtell because I generally agree with your posts, but anybody who seriously thinks Manning is a choker is football-ignorant.
As far as Vandy is concerned, the fact that he missed isn't necessarily a sign of choking, but missing by 50 feet (twice) on a good snap and hold is.
Perhaps your right but i will never forget that kick against Oakland in the snow to send them to the S.B. That was no chip shot either.
Clutch kickers like him are not easy to get a hold of, and when you do you usually hold onto them
Dave
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Of course I saw his stats in the first half. There isn't a quartrback in the league who would have had decent numbers with that kind of protection. Changes were made and the offense ran better in the second half. I hate to say this, Axtell because I generally agree with your posts, but anybody who seriously thinks Manning is a choker is football-ignorant.
As far as Vandy is concerned, the fact that he missed isn't necessarily a sign of choking, but missing by 50 feet (twice) on a good snap and hold is. >>
He's not a choker? Could you please show me where's he come through in a big spot? Even when they were the overwhelming favorites (at Pittsburgh), he still couldn't get it done, after their excuse had been that they had to play outdoors against New England so many times. They had indoor stadiums (including the super bowl) and he still couldn't seal the deal.
He's a great QB, no question, but I have to question his determination and ability to close big games. Thus far, he's not been able to do it.
As far as the changes go, if protection was breaking down so badly, why wasn't he making changes at the line to get around it? Quick dumps to Edge, screens, all that would have slowed down the pass rush. Instead, it takes them over a half to make any adjustments.
I sit here and type this knowing damn well that next year, if the Colts are able to put their running game back together and make a run again like they did this past season, that we can all await Manning's excuse speech that's he's probably writing right now! And then to come out publicly and trash your offensive line--YA, we know they stunk Manning, but you're the guy calling the plays, you're the guy in charge, FIX IT--stop blaming everyone else. I can also tell you this--because of the teams the Colts have been able to build around Manning he will be regarded (if he retires with no superbowls) as possibly the BIGGEST CHOKER OF ALL TIME. It's true that such greats as Marino could never get the job done, but Marino NEVER had a team like the Colts did last year. I expect them to be better, Manning better step up to the plate or I don't know if he'll be able to live it down.
Jay