Jeff Bagwell and Steroids
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Watching Cold Pizza today on ESPN, Woody Paige and Skip Bayliss were discussing the Bonds Balco book that hit the stores today. One thing Woody mentioned was Bagwell admitting to using steroids. This was the first I heard about Bagwell being connected to steroid use. When did he admit it???
Next MONTH? So he's saying that if he wins, the best-case scenario is that he'll be paying for it two weeks after the auction ends?
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Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12
Looking for Al Hrabosky and any OPC Dave Campbells (the ESPN guy)
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<< <i>I know Gary Sheffield and Jason Giambi are highlighted in this new book. I can't stand Sheffield, I hope he does what he says when he flips his trap and freaking retires already. That way he can bring coke to Uncle Doc everyday in jail. Giambi I like better as a person but he is a cheat too. Can't wait till they are both gone from the Yankees. >>
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<< <i>Watching Cold Pizza today on ESPN, Woody Paige and Skip Bayliss were discussing the Bonds Balco book that hit the stores today. One thing Woody mentioned was Bagwell admitting to using steroids. This was the first I heard about Bagwell being connected to steroid use. When did he admit it??? >>
Bags has never admitting to taking steroids. When he went onto the DL last year, there was some discussion about it..... Been listening to the local AM sports show this afternoon and has not been mentioned once.
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I have always said that Steroids do not MAKE you a great ballplayer, lets try to remember that.
<< <i>Not to hijack here, but we all need to realize that probably 60 % of MLB players have juiced at one time or another. Bagwell and other great players are probably on the same playing field as the rest of the 60 % of players who stuck a needle in themselves as well, the difference and my point is that its to bad that the GREAT players get put in the spotlight instead of just thrown into the mix of general steroid abuse in the league.
I have always said that Steroids do not MAKE you a great ballplayer, lets try to remember that. >>
Perk, its the GREAT players that have become ICONS because of this who threaten the integrity of all time records. Thus, it is imperative to single them out. The mid range guys who abused will FORTUNATELY never be remembered and thank goodness for that. Take Brady Anderson for example. No doubt he juiced, but, who cares about his one and only 50 homer season which sticks out like a sore thumb .... and Jason Giambi, Gary Sheffield, etc. These guys who would be stars off the juice have elevated themselves to a bit more. BUT, they don'tthreaten real records and hopefully they will be forgotten. It is the Sammy Sosa's, the Mark McGuires, Barry Bonds, Raffy Palmeiro, etc that need to be PLASTERED to send a real message to the regular "star" that this crap won't be tolerated.
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They had coaches, managers, trainers, everyone telling them if they want to play in the bigs, they have to juice to keep up. They tried it, got big very fast, and both ended up with career ending injuries (one a knee, one a shoulder).
As far as the topic goes, Woody Paige is a loudmouth who needs to have his head caved in, he's so damned annoying he talks just to hear himself talk and loves any (bad or good) reaction he gets.
Bagwell I hadn't heard any admission of steroid use.
Stingray
And to top it off, he is honest. Just look at his responses when they ask him about steroid use in MLB.
That's all I'm sayin'.
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<< <i>I love Bags and think he is a great face on an otherwise crappy franchise. >>
Uh yeah... Crappy franchise? Brand new ballpark with an all-star game, 6 playoff appearances in the last 8 years (including 2 NLCS and 1 WS in last 2), record attendance. How are your "loveable loooooosers" doing, huh?
In regards to Bags, I have yet to see ANY source claim he was on the juice.
Got link?
Didn't think so... Perhaps the National Enquirer has some info from a friend of a friend of a friend of Bagwell's.
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<< <i>I love Bags and think he is a great face on an otherwise crappy franchise. >>
Uh yeah... Crappy franchise? Brand new ballpark with an all-star game, 6 playoff appearances in the last 8 years (including 2 NLCS and 1 WS in last 2), record attendance. How are your "loveable loooooosers" doing, huh?
All your stats are true, no doubt about it. However, at the end of the day, the juice box is beautiful but an excuse of a ballpark to hit cheap homers and disgrace the history of MLB. And it is all in Houston, down in that country known as Texas - the only place where they will sing "Deep in the Heart of Texas" during the 7th inning stretch while the rest of MLB plays “God Bless America”. And the only place where its star 1B takes great pride in being called “Fat Elvis”.
And if you read my posts here, you will know that I complain about the Cubs and those Wrigley fans that support them. I expect the team to be mediocre at best this year and finish behind St. Louis and Houston. But then again, I'm a true Cubs fan with a brain because I didn't go to Wrigley to "get like so totally wasted." I hope my expectations are wrong, but I’ve been let down so many times in the past.
In regards to Bags, I have yet to see ANY source claim he was on the juice.
Got link?
Didn't think so... Perhaps the National Enquirer has some info from a friend of a friend of a friend of Bagwell's. >>
Go back and read my post. Did I ever say anything about him using steroids? All I said was that he was honest. Research it and you will see. When asked about steroids, Bagwell always says, "Hey, if pitchers use this stuff, I only think it is fair for batters to use it, too." He doesn’t say that he ever used steroids.
Read into it what you will. For me, I don't care. If steroids helped him have some of the greatest years in MLB history, then I thank him for making my life more pleasant.
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1. When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the Earth down
2. According to Einstein's theory of relativity, Chuck Norris can actually roundhouse kick you yesterday
3. There are no such things as lesbians, just women who have not yet met Chuck Norris
<< <i>All your stats are true, no doubt about it. However, at the end of the day, the juice box is beautiful but an excuse of a ballpark to hit cheap homers and disgrace the history of MLB. And it is all in Houston, down in that country known as Texas - the only place where they will sing "Deep in the Heart of Texas" during the 7th inning stretch while the rest of MLB plays “God Bless America”. And the only place where its star 1B takes great pride in being called “Fat Elvis”. >>
It's a disgrace? So I guess all of the old-time ballparks were a disgrace too, since thats what MMP is modeled after. And perhaps you should get your facts straight... 1) We have been singing "Deep in the Heart of Texas" for years and we do sing "God Bless America" on Sundays. Shouldn't an alleged Cub's "fan" know about traditions? 2) Guess you are talking about Berkman and uh.. He takes great pride in it? Funny.. It's not mentioned here in Houston but since you say he does, it must be true.
Guess that's your response for us being, in your words, "a crappy" franchise? Yeah, uh, good one.. You really proved your point.
<< <i>And if you read my posts here, you will know that I complain about the Cubs and those Wrigley fans that support them. I expect the team to be mediocre at best this year and finish behind St. Louis and Houston. But then again, I'm a true Cubs fan with a brain because I didn't go to Wrigley to "get like so totally wasted." I hope my expectations are wrong, but I’ve been let down so many times in the past. >>
Okay... Uh.. Good for you?
<< <i>Go back and read my post. Did I ever say anything about him using steroids? All I said was that he was honest. Research it and you will see. When asked about steroids, Bagwell always says, "Hey, if pitchers use this stuff, I only think it is fair for batters to use it, too." He doesn’t say that he ever used steroids.
Read into it what you will. For me, I don't care. If steroids helped him have some of the greatest years in MLB history, then I thank him for making my life more pleasant. >>
The Bagwell comment wasn't aimed at you but since you brought it up. Please show me where Bags "always" says that. Actually, I take that back because I know discussing steriods with you is like talking to a wall. Go idolize Big "Look at my astonishing display of strength thanks to cheating" Mac and Sammy "I forgot how to speak English" Sosa.
Instead of moaning about the sweep, they just thanked everyone on their team and stated they were beat by a better team. I will never forgot these guys for that.
It's true. I can't stand Houston, and I couldn't stand them even if I wasn't a Cubs fan. They have two of the classiest players in baseball and a great owner, but it is simply too Texasized for me. They will likely do better than the Cubs this year, but that won't stop me from rooting against them. LOL.
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1. When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the Earth down
2. According to Einstein's theory of relativity, Chuck Norris can actually roundhouse kick you yesterday
3. There are no such things as lesbians, just women who have not yet met Chuck Norris
<< <i>If you remember at the end of the WS, I was the first to commend Bags and Biggio on being true professionals. Here were two guys who played for one franchise their entire careers and they were swept in their only WS appearance.
Instead of moaning about the sweep, they just thanked everyone on their team and stated they were beat by a better team. I will never forgot these guys for that. >>
Hmmmm. Name one player that complained about the sweep.
<< <i>It's true. I can't stand Houston, and I couldn't stand them even if I wasn't a Cubs fan. They have two of the classiest players in baseball and a great owner, but it is simply too Texasized for me. They will likely do better than the Cubs this year, but that won't stop me from rooting against them. LOL. >>
So you went from saying we were a crappy franchise, to having a disgrace of a ballpark, to now just saying the city is too Texasized for you.
Hey that's fine, everyone is entilted to their own opinion. Just glad you finally gave a straight story for once.