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Another bum raw card dealer

BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
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I actually have two to add to this list. One is 'legacysportsrarities' (not to be confused with the fine folks at Legacy sports up in Traverse City Mi), who sold me a nm 1975 partial set that was hyped as 'fresh from vending' in the auction description. And another one to add to the list is 'New England Sports Cards'. This is actually a branch of 4SC, and I bought a 1978 football lot from them that was hyped as mint and didnt'' include a single mint card in the bunch. All NM crap, with the exception of the 125 cards or so that were creased. If you see a lot from this New England Sports Card outfit keep in mind that it's Roger who's behind the auction, and your chances of getting a raw mint card out of him are about as good as George Bush's chances of getting an invitation to join Mensa.

Thinking about it now we should probably just start a thread on decent raw card sellers, in the interest of preserving bandwidth image

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  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    Well I think we all agree that when a seller who sells tons of graded cards is selling raw that those were their rejects that weren't worth grading.
    Let the buyer beware!
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭


    << <i>Well I think we all agree that when a seller who sells tons of graded cards is selling raw that those were their rejects that weren't worth grading.
    Let the buyer beware! >>



    Here here! I wouldn't have touched that lot if I'd known who the man was behind New England Sports Cards, but it just seemed to me like a small time Mass. dealer. Little did I know...
  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    Well now you know and others will as well. Sorry to see you ended up with some cr*p cards.
  • acowaacowa Posts: 945 ✭✭


    I have bought graded cards from legacysportsrarities in the past without any problems whatsoever. In fact, their service was better than average.

    Regards,



    Alan

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here here! I wouldn't have touched that lot if I'd known who the man was behind New England Sports Cards, but it just seemed to me like a small time Mass. dealer. Little did I know... >>



    Hey Boo, it has been well documented on this forum about the FRAUD that "New England Sports Cards" is. More than a few guys including me have been burned by this low class bottom feeder dealer (4SC). Not that it hurts them but I won't ever buy another thing from 4SC or any of its low end crap slinging shoot offs. I will try to find the threads when I have more time.

    Dan

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Well I think we all agree that when a seller who sells tons of graded cards is selling raw that those were their rejects that weren't worth grading.
    Let the buyer beware! >>



    right, that is why 4SC hides behind the "new england sports cards" name. It is to deceive people into buying his rejects at top dollar. 4SC is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of someone like Steve Hart at the Baseball Card Exchange.

    One time the putz that runs 4SC made a lame attempt to come on this message board and defend the company. A misleading liar, cheat, you name it. image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Well I think we all agree that when a seller who sells tons of graded cards is selling raw that those were their rejects that weren't worth grading.
    Let the buyer beware! >>



    Here here! I wouldn't have touched that lot if I'd known who the man was behind New England Sports Cards, but it just seemed to me like a small time Mass. dealer. Little did I know... >>



    Instead of "New England Sports Cards" they should call it "2 Sharp Corners"...imageimage
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  • dunerduner Posts: 625 ✭
    as B Dub said....."caveat emptor" to he who buys vintage raw card lots from a seller who's obviously aware of third party grading!
    Duner a.k.a. THE LSUConnMan
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  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭


    << <i>Instead of "New England Sports Cards" they should call it "2 Sharp Corners"... >>



    Now that's funny!! image
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>as B Dub said....."caveat emptor" to he who buys vintage raw card lots from a seller who's obviously aware of third party grading!
    >>



    I don't think it is fair to make general assumptions and statements like this . True , if you are dealing with a mass submitter like dsl or 4 sharp who probably grade cards for $3 each then you should know what you are getting.

    I just sold a 75 set raw with 20 or so graded for $900 and the buyer emailed me yesterday that he loved it. also, sold another one last spring for 1300 in the same format and have sold a 72 set on ebay that way as well. all , accurately described and nm/mint sets. It makes no sense for me to submit for 8's and 9's at $5-$6 a card plus shipping when 8's fetch 3 bucks and some 9's don't even bring 10 bucks.

    a few weeks ago I sold partial vending boxes from 76-80 and all were happy. sold 3 82 donruss golf sets accurately described and the buyers emailed me saying they were awesome. since I graded 500 of these then you would be generalizing me as a crook which is not fair.


    and on the flip side , I have bought raw cards from smaller sellers of raw and graded with good results. so my point is know who you are dealing with , if you aren't sure of what it is ask questions and you have a much lower probability of getting burned. if you avoid everyone completely when looking for raw because they sell graded they you are proably missing the boat on a lot of items
  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Instead of "New England Sports Cards" they should call it "2 Sharp Corners"... >>



    Now that's funny!! image >>

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  • jad22jad22 Posts: 535 ✭✭
    at least Bush isn't stupid enough to buy a bunch of raw cards and complain about it.
  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭


    << <i>at least Bush isn't stupid enough to buy a bunch of raw cards and complain about it. >>

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  • jad22jad22 Posts: 535 ✭✭
    It is lame to interject politics in a sports card forum.
  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭


    << <i>It is lame to interject politics in a sports card forum. >>

    While I do agree with you on that aspect, I think letting others know of bad raw card dealers is great.

    I remember when Dan originally said he got burned by New England Sports Cards, I had my eye on a pretty high priced(for me anyway) "vending lot." I saved a lot of money and headache from him letting us know of his bad experience.
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  • jad22jad22 Posts: 535 ✭✭


    << <i> and your chances of getting a raw mint card out of him are about as good as George Bush's chances of getting an invitation to join Mensa image >>

  • poppiepoppie Posts: 598


    << <i>right, that is why 4SC hides behind the "new england sports cards" name. It is to deceive people into buying his rejects at top dollar. 4SC is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of someone like Steve Hart at the Baseball Card Exchange. >>

    Tell me more about 4 sharp corners. I have bought quite a few PSA cards from them, with no problem whatsoever. What is the issue?
    My focus, 1970 Topps Baseball Raw and Graded, pre 1989 PSA Hockey and 1933 INDIAN GUM ! Yikes!!
  • gstarlinggstarling Posts: 463 ✭✭
    I think the issue isn't with 4 sharp corners as far as quality, but more business practices.

    They run one division (4 sharp corners) selling nice PSA graded cards

    They run another division (New England Sports Cards) that sells raw cards that are not gradable - if they were, they would have them graded.

    Also, I've heard of preferential treatment in regards to looser grading standards, but anything I've ever bought from 4SC has been appropriately graded.

    So I guess the crux is the fact they sell raw cards that have knowingly overstated conditions. - If NESC calls something "fresh from vending" it probably isn't. It's probably been picked over and had the best sent to PSA to be sold under the 4SC eBay name. It's the dishonesty of running 2 different eBay names to avoid the appearance of the obvious, if they sell so many graded cards why isn't this one graded. NESC doesn't sell graded cards so to someone who doesn't know, there isn't that appearance.
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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    One correction: The name of the outfit I meant to call out is 'legacysportscards'. I thought this was Greg's business when I first bid, and didn't notice that this particular bunch was located in California. Otherwise I would have stayed away.
  • poppiepoppie Posts: 598
    gstarling: Thank you for the detailed explanation!
    My focus, 1970 Topps Baseball Raw and Graded, pre 1989 PSA Hockey and 1933 INDIAN GUM ! Yikes!!
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    I always think of what a dealer told me
    when I asked him if any of his raw cards were gradable.

    He said : "Well if they are, then I didn't do my job very well".

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  • FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    Wolfbear- Hey, I think I know that guyimage
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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,281 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My experience was when I purchased a vending box which was advertised as just star cards being pulled. The advertisement stated the rest of the box included MINT commons and that only handled once when searching for the stars. What I got was the nastiest box of cards I have ever bought. MORE than a dozen of which had WAX STAINS on them in the VENDING box. These were cards that were thrown into a empty vending box from many different sources.

    Bottom line is that NESC used GROSS misleading and FALSE advertising to sell their crap cards. Now I did not blow that much on the box, under a hundred bucks for these nasty 1978 Topps cards but it was the last money I have or ever will spend on 4SC or its crap offshoots. I am not alone image

    ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240

  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭
    I think one point that was missed about 4SC is that they created multiple eBay names to sell their graded cards. They will not combine shipping across their graded selling aliases because they say it is from "seperate inventories." Hogwash. They strategically put 2 or more cards up under different sellers that a collector may realistically want. For expamle, they have 4 randy Johnson PSA 9 rookies up at one time, but they are under 4 different sellers. That way, one guy can't buy them all and save on shipping.

    I think that is just another example of bad business practices.

    As for the preferential treatment, I don't buy it. They submit such a huge volume of cards that you are more likely to see low end 10's or 9's because at a given time you can see 1000 cards they submitted.
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  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    Just be glad you weren't the guy who bought a searched '87 Fleer basketball box for several hundred dollars from them. This came up in the previous thread about them. They also have negs from some honest ebayers (including coolstufffast) for selling searched material.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I will only buy from 4sc when i can get a deal. I have bought a few 65 topps in 8 for the min bid of 9.99.

    Most times I just pass on them though.


    Steve
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