The death of ANACS?

Dave99B

How long before ANACS “re-invents” its holder again to something that is not hideous/gimmicky/stupid looking? I know I won’t submit anything knowing this piece of plastic is coming back.

Marketing 101: Don't make your products unattractive to consumers!

Dave

flaminio

Supposedly you can still get the OWHs if you request them specially. I know I will on my next submission.

amercoin

I have a 1921 Peace dollar It's in a Pcgs ms 64 holder. The coin is a Vam 1H struck with satin proof dies. David Hall said Pcgs will not put the # Vam on this coin.
Anacs will vam this coin take a guess with i will do.

RTS

I may have been misinformed but I recently called ANACS and asked if I could request the little white holders and was told I could not.

TorinoCobra71

<< <i>Supposedly you can still get the OWHs if you request them specially. I know I will on my next submission. >>



Thats just to keep your Modern Crap......errrrr......Commems Uniform.

TorinoCobra71

pharmer

I had decided not to submit any more varieties to them because of it. Was not aware until Bob mentioned it about having a choice, might reconsider.

ms70

I think the holder is nice but it just needs to be better sealed (from what I hear) and the label needs to loose the big white capsule where they pring the grade. They should
just print it on the blue background.

Priest

I recently read in C-W that ANACS still had white holders but, they were to be used for net graded coins, as long as theie supply lasts.

mrearlygold

Who came first, anacs or hagar? Anyone know?

Hey anyone ever see a PNG certificate? They were used in a huge coin sales scam back in the 80's.

Tootawl

Could this be considered the "New Coke" of coin collecting?

flaminio

<< <i>Thats just to keep your Modern Crap......errrrr......Commems Uniform. >>

Oh, you betcha. If I can't get OWHs I might just cap my collection at 2005.

MrKelso

I kind of like that ugly holder, it makes my Gold coins look nice.

TorinoCobra71

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<< <i>Thats just to keep your Modern Crap......errrrr......Commems Uniform. >>

Oh, you betcha. If I can't get OWHs I might just cap my collection at 2005. >>



I HIGHLY doubt that! You have been doing this way to Long to let something like a changed Slab design to stop you!

TorinoCobra71

fivecents

<< <i>Who came first, anacs or hagar? Anyone know? >>

ANACS...Unless you are refering to the slacks.

Hyperion

I like the holder. Everyone is bugged by change. If they modified the label somewhat, it'd be 100% attractive.

Coxe

They can change the holder all they want. They sell services not goods. Losing their well-respected graders to other TPGs was the real final decline IMO. I have to say that historically, I found ANACS grading to be rather good, actually great. They failed to play the business game when they still had a shot. Once the valuation disparity began to strongly trend away from them, it was inevitable that their conservatively graded coins would quickly cross to NGC and PCGS. There are rare exceptions and old collections that haven't tried crossovers, but the populations of extant undisturbed ANACS slabs is far from indicative of their overal track record in grading, exacerbating the valuation problem. I really do not see a way out of their position at this point. They really need to consider redefining their business and its services. Perhaps becoming the registry source or maybe offering secondary certificates on PCGS and NGC slabs from top authorities in each area of specialization along with top notch imaging. Now with slabs and serial numbers, that could be very welcomed. In the past, you couldn't be certain as to which coin the letter went with for certain over time. I know that I and many other collectors love to show off our better coins and would love to have the giants of numismatics critique them, adding some personal prestige. Anyway, there's always money to be made as a middle man.

Manorcourtman

I sent coins in for the 5 day service last month. They failed to come even close to their 5 day service level. I was sent freebie vouchers. My redo's probably won't make the deadline either. I'm giving up on them for now. I hope they get their stuff together soon.

fivecents

I hope ANACS can pull it together...they are an institution when it comes to third party grading services. It sounds like ICG and ANACS are having some sort of battle with all the swaping of employees.

BECOKA

Once they get better material for the holder, find a way to seal it better and gett a better label I might consider sending again. Otherwise only problem coins go to them.

FatMan

I like the slab a lot.

TomB

I spoke with a dealer at the Baltimore show and he said he loves the new holders. It was surprising to me to feel how light they are in-hand. I also commented about how I had read that the holders shattered very easily and he said that that was a design feature for the slab. It is quite odd that a design feature of the slab might render the slab useless.

OKbustchaser

<< <i>I spoke with a dealer at the Baltimore show and he said he loves the new holders. It was surprising to me to feel how light they are in-hand. I also commented about how I had read that the holders shattered very easily and he said that that was a design feature for the slab. It is quite odd that a design feature of the slab might render the slab useless. >>



To many it IS a welcome design feature...anything which makes it easier for me to crack out my coins from their slabs is fantastic.

mozin

I planned on reholdering all my Bust Halves into the new ANACS holders so I could see the edge lettering. According to Conder, only part of the lettering shows. Not much use in determining edge lettering errors. I like the small ANACS slabs, so I will keep them.

Barry

<< <i>I like the slab a lot. >>


I like it too. I don't understand the big fuss...

Myqqy

I don't really get why people would turn away from a tpg because you don't like the look of the holder as much as a different holder- sometimes collectors seem a little obsessive/compulsive to me....

AZLARRY

I like their new holders, I would like to see the insert reworked.

Burks

<< <i>I like the holder. Everyone is bugged by change. If they modified the label somewhat, it'd be 100% attractive. >>



The holder itself looks great (cheap quality from what I've heard) but the insert is horrible. Change that and it would be my favorite slab.

ScarsdaleCoin

I believe a changed insert is already being done, the new slabs are selling quite well, so I chaulk a lot of this up to CHANGE...people just got jolted with a new look that takes getting used to....give em time

Deadhorse

<< <i>I may have been misinformed but I recently called ANACS and asked if I could request the little white holders and was told I could not. >>




Interesting. I asked them at the Houston Money Show back in January and they told me specifically that they were going to continue using the old, smaller holders in conjuction with the new ones. It was just a matter of requesting them at submission.

I wonder if I was just being fed a line or if you were given bad information.

Obviously, both can't be true.

Dave99B

I don't really get why people would turn away from a tpg because you don't like the look of the holder....

From a marketing perspective, "looks" is very important. Hell, people buy million dollar homes based on "looks". They buy $300 pairs of tennis shoes.

When was the last time you bought an ugly car because it had a good maintenance history. How about a butt-ugly couch, because it felt good when you laid on it?

I'm saying ANACS dropped the ball. I give them credit - they tried, they just botched it.

Dave

jom

<< <i>I don't really get why people would turn away from a tpg because you don't like the look of the holder.... >>



I don't either...I think they are all ugly.

jom

dlimb2

I like the new holder, it is artistic and breaks away from the qbist form with rounded edges and angles...in the white oval space they could put the type of coin that it is and the year and lose the big MS or PR in that space...otherwise the shape and design are nice...

UncleWiggly

There is one and only one holder that is good for cosmetic and security purposes. And that is SEGS hands down. As for the death of ANACS. Everything that has gone bad with ANACS since James Taylor arrived has put them behind ICG in desirability. How many of you submit most of your coins to ICG? And why Austin Texas? I hope anybody with ANACS that has never been to Austin knows what they will be getting into this summer. If I was going to re-locate a coin grading service I would pick a place with low humidity like southern Nevada.



Jerry

Veep

I'm on the side that likes the new holder too. I'm not neutral about it. I really like it.

goose3

I'm undecided on the holder......I saw MANY of them at Baltimore and I think they are the type of thing that would grow on you after a while.

I think the past several months of self created suspense and hoopla over themselves and then a big fizzle has hurt ANACS....but hey it's a new day at ANACS.

MORGANHUNTER2

Instead of voicing your complaints here- why not send an email to James Taylor?

Did PCGS come out and have a perfect slab the first time- you know the 'rattler', did they not put a fix to it with a collar?

Then they improved upon that with the OGH as we like to refer to it. Then to blue... and of course the big ugly green thing that could be compared to a gov't issued slab!


Although a majority seems to think it is a bad slab- they seem to be selling.

What ever happened to buying the coin and not the holder.

The comment that they lost all the good graders seems a little off- did Randy Campbell leave or die? Thought I read where Miles just came back- and tom Fahey went to ICG-

ANACS has been around the longest and is still a respected voice in this arena, if not, I think they would have closed their doors a long time ago. There is no profit if everyone goes to PCGS or NGC, but then when you think about it- we complain about these guys as well.

worry about the market of your coin not the holder.

Conder101

<< <i>Who came first, anacs or hagar? Anyone know?

Hey anyone ever see a PNG certificate? >>


ANACS came first, 1972. Hagar and ACG arrived in 1984.

Yes I have seen PNG certificates, they used two different types, and early large size certificate, 8 1/2 X 14 and hen about 1980 they switched to a smaller 8 1/2 X 5 3/4 size. I have found it very difficult to locate examples of them. I have one of the small size but only a scan of a photocopy of the large size.

Frankcoins

The new ANACS holder is tacky, IMO.

koynekwest

I like the holder-it's the lack of proper variety attribution that bothers me. And yes-I have been in touch with James Taylor about it.

sethb

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<< <i>I spoke with a dealer at the Baltimore show and he said he loves the new holders. It was surprising to me to feel how light they are in-hand. I also commented about how I had read that the holders shattered very easily and he said that that was a design feature for the slab. It is quite odd that a design feature of the slab might render the slab useless. >>



To many it IS a welcome design feature...anything which makes it easier for me to crack out my coins from their slabs is fantastic. >>



I think the idea is probably that if you try to tamper with the slab, it shatters, making it impossible to reassemble. Makes sense to me....

VamGuy

<< <i> I hope anybody with ANACS that has never been to Austin knows what they will be getting into this summer. If I was going to re-locate a coin grading service I would pick a place with low humidity like southern Nevada. >>

Or say, Newport Beach, CA. Because it's common knowledge that the humidity, and corrosive salt content, near the Pacific ocean is very, very low.



<< <i>I think the idea is probably that if you try to tamper with the slab, it shatters, making it impossible to reassemble. Makes sense to me.... >>

While that might be the idea, it's not the reality. The reality is that the new ANACS slab opens up like a clam with no visible tampering, and reseals quite nicely.

Conder101

<< <i>Did PCGS come out and have a perfect slab the first time- you know the 'rattler', did they not put a fix to it with a collar? >>


Well the collar came three years later. ANACS began using their new holder six weeks ago and they are already on their third variety. (With more tweaking yet to come they tell me.)

mgoodm3

<< <i>sometimes collectors seem a little obsessive/compulsive to me.... >>




Ya think?

Murphy

I like 'em. Gonna get more of 'em.

mozeppa

murphy....whose identifying number system is on your slab?