Proof Positive that BGS Standards Have Decreased--the same thread (hopefully) without the bashing
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Note that while trimming/sheet cuts are mentioned in passing, that is NOT the subject of the post, please keep it that way.
From JackWESQ
After I saw this auction/sale for a 2001 SP Authentic Albert Pujols BGS 10 (here is the
link) with all four subgrades of 10, I gave the idea of subgrades further thought.
2001 SP Authentic Albert Pujols BGS 10
As many of you can attest, there has been a rapid influx of high end BGS 10 cards, e.g.
2001 Bowman Albert Pujols
1984 Fleer Update Roger Clemens
1985 Topps Mark McGwire
1986 Topps Tiffany Barry Bonds
Now, the majority of these cards were very recently graded and/or are one (or even two) of a kind.
Further, as I've stated in the past, I distinctly recall a time where it was practically impossible to get
a SINGLE subgrade of 10, much less the requisite three subgrades of 10 for an overall grade of 10.
Now, I'll give Beckett the benefit of the doubt and concede that maybe the cards being submitted today
are truly a higher grade than cards submitted yesterday. However, even given this fact, I don't quite
understand the development of the centering subgrade.
Notwithstanding the issue of trimming/sheet cut cards, shouldn't the centering subgrade be FIXED, e.g.
the passage of time cannot affect a card's centering, unlike corners becoming rounded, edges becoming
dented or the surface deteriorating? In other words, once a card is printed and "assigned" a centering
grade, whatever the centering is now will be the same 50 years from now. For example, I wouldn't think
it would be all that extraordinary to find a 1933 Goudey or a T206 with subgrades of 9.5 for centering
and 1s or 2s for edges, corners and surface.
So with this in mind, "back in the day," I still didn't recall seeing any 10 subgrades for centering. Does
this mean all the cards with 10 centering are all sheet cut? I guess one way to test this theory is to
see (while you are searching/browsing through ebay) if there are any cards that have 10 subgrade
where the subgrades were printed on the back of the slab instead of the front. I don't know when Beckett
started putting subgrades on the front of the cards, but I know that virtually every card with a 10 subgrade
have the subgrades printed on the front.
/s/ JackWESQ
From JackWESQ
After I saw this auction/sale for a 2001 SP Authentic Albert Pujols BGS 10 (here is the
link) with all four subgrades of 10, I gave the idea of subgrades further thought.
2001 SP Authentic Albert Pujols BGS 10
As many of you can attest, there has been a rapid influx of high end BGS 10 cards, e.g.
2001 Bowman Albert Pujols
1984 Fleer Update Roger Clemens
1985 Topps Mark McGwire
1986 Topps Tiffany Barry Bonds
Now, the majority of these cards were very recently graded and/or are one (or even two) of a kind.
Further, as I've stated in the past, I distinctly recall a time where it was practically impossible to get
a SINGLE subgrade of 10, much less the requisite three subgrades of 10 for an overall grade of 10.
Now, I'll give Beckett the benefit of the doubt and concede that maybe the cards being submitted today
are truly a higher grade than cards submitted yesterday. However, even given this fact, I don't quite
understand the development of the centering subgrade.
Notwithstanding the issue of trimming/sheet cut cards, shouldn't the centering subgrade be FIXED, e.g.
the passage of time cannot affect a card's centering, unlike corners becoming rounded, edges becoming
dented or the surface deteriorating? In other words, once a card is printed and "assigned" a centering
grade, whatever the centering is now will be the same 50 years from now. For example, I wouldn't think
it would be all that extraordinary to find a 1933 Goudey or a T206 with subgrades of 9.5 for centering
and 1s or 2s for edges, corners and surface.
So with this in mind, "back in the day," I still didn't recall seeing any 10 subgrades for centering. Does
this mean all the cards with 10 centering are all sheet cut? I guess one way to test this theory is to
see (while you are searching/browsing through ebay) if there are any cards that have 10 subgrade
where the subgrades were printed on the back of the slab instead of the front. I don't know when Beckett
started putting subgrades on the front of the cards, but I know that virtually every card with a 10 subgrade
have the subgrades printed on the front.
/s/ JackWESQ
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