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Newp: 1837 Feuchtwanger Cent-ANACS Grade Revealed & opinions wanted!

NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
Heres my newest coin that I received last week but I just got a chance to take images of it today. I was looking for one of these for a while. So, I was checking out Jade Rare Coin's website last week and bam I saw this one listed. Thanks Dennis!

ANACS VF20

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  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    I'll have to excuse myself from guessing. I went to the JRC website to see if there were other examples, and yours is still up.image
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'll have to excuse myself from guessing. I went to the JRC website to see if there were other examples, and yours is still up. >>



    No cheating. Test your grading skills. image
  • KoinlinkKoinlink Posts: 593 ✭✭✭
    I'd go with XF45.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I know abolutely nothing about these, but based on the wear on the wing, I'd have to say vf20.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,342 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF30

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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,708 ✭✭✭✭✭
    F-15 to Vf-20
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭✭
    VF20
    All glory is fleeting.
  • Xf40......and no I don't really know how to grade these but that's my guess. image
  • jcpingjcping Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭
    Better than a Fine but not a VF image
    an SLQ and Ike dollars lover
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,279 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Without looking at any of the other responses. I'd call it strong VF, mayby XF
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd give it a 35. Fun coin to own. image
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  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085
    I'll give Louie's twanger a vf/25
    A thing of beauty is a joy for ever
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anymore grade guesses???

    I'll reveal the ANACS grade soon.
  • KoinlinkKoinlink Posts: 593 ✭✭✭
    I wish I found it before you! image
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭
    VF30
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  • << <i>I'll have to excuse myself from guessing. I went to the JRC website to see if there were other examples, and yours is still up.image >>



    Darn! John bought the Feuchtwanger just before the Baltimore show and I didn't have a chance to update the site until today. It has been removed and only coins that are still available are on the website. We are uploading new purchases throughout the day.

    I forgot the grade of the coin, but I will guess AU-50. image
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,694 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Without looking at any of the other responses. I'd call it strong VF, mayby XF >>




    image I'd personally call it a VF-30 or -35 from the pics, but if three was more than a little luster left hidden in the devices I could see calling it XF.

    I've seen a couple of those with clips, though never in my price range. They're such neat coins, I do hope that someday my collection can include one.


    Sean Reynolds
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,997 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BTW: How many of these Feuchtwanger Cents, do you think were minted? I can't find a mintage figure anywhere.


  • << <i>BTW: How many of these Feuchtwanger Cents, do you think were minted? I can't find a mintage figure anywhere. >>



    John,

    Dr. Feuchtwanger did not keep accurate mint records. Stating the amount of tokens struck would be a guess, but it could be an educated guess. There are 12 die combinations, 3 of which are R.1 (very common), 1 R.2, 3 R.3 and the rest are R.4 to R.8. I have seen hoards of these, including a guy a few years ago who had about 200 pieces. Those facts, together with a gut feeling of how many I have seen, I would guess that a couple thousand are extant. How many were minted? Hmmmm. I will take a guess. These tokens circulated heavily for a few decades, so I would guess that many were lost. I doubt any were melted, since there's little to no intrinsic value to the planchets. That would put a survival rate of.....wild guess.....10%. Therefore, I would say that about 20,000 were struck between 1837 and 1865. Again, this is just a quick, wild guess utilizing a bit of known data on the coins as a foundation.

    Much, much rarer, however, are the Feuchtwanger Three Cent coins............

    We bought and sold the PCGS MS-66 (Pop 1/0) example within the past 6 months. What a killer coin that was! Our current NGC MS-66 is not quite as nice, hence the lower price. We sold it for close to $5,000.

    Dennis
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  • << BTW: How many of these Feuchtwanger Cents, do you think were minted? I can't find a mintage figure anywhere. >>

    Doing some research today I found a reference in Rulau that Q. David Bowers suggests that up to a million of the 1 cent pieces were in circulation, along with a few thousand 3 cent pieces. That's a lot more than my guess of 20,000!
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  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whoo-hoo I slam dunked that grade!! I had forgotten about this guess the grade!


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