<< <i>This was a great thread Billy, thanks for all your input and it was fun. Now to start another search because you got the excitement flowing again. >>
Was!?!
Maybe we could keep it going.
Another coin I found a few years back was the '83-P 25c with a cud on both sides. This was a little later die state than the one Coin World reported. This coin also had dozens of die breaks and looked like the dies were about to shatter. One thing that didn't show up well in the Coin World photo is indentation damage to the dies. It appears that these indentations were caused by the broken pieces of the die getting caught in a strike. I can't actually make out detail in them and it could be caused by debris which started the process.
Nice coin, I've been looking for a long time. I did't know about the Ohio-Flordia connection. The Breen book doesn't state that and sometimes it does, as far as where certain errors, varities were found. I recently came across 30 shot gun rolls kept in a not so air tight safe since 1980. To my disipointment I no DDO were found. As a matter of fact most of the cents were in terrible condition due to dampness. I'm happy for your nice find, keep hunting.
<< <i>This was a great thread Billy, thanks for all your input and it was fun. Now to start another search because you got the excitement flowing again. >>
Was!?!
Maybe we could keep it going.
Another coin I found a few years back was the '83-P 25c with a cud on both sides. This was a little later die state than the one Coin World reported. This coin also had dozens of die breaks and looked like the dies were about to shatter. One thing that didn't show up well in the Coin World photo is indentation damage to the dies. It appears that these indentations were caused by the broken pieces of the die getting caught in a strike. I can't actually make out detail in them and it could be caused by debris which started the process. >>
I remember reading about that 83-P in CW. That's a tuff one. Have you got any pics of it?
Thought I would add a few items as well. I had this rev double clash in my Dansco for a while and didn't notice the clash till I upgraded.
Found a bunch of these in a original roll.
Cut this 1970-S rpm-1 from a mint set. Guess thats whare they all come from. Also found 2 1970-D ddr dimes from that same lot of 20 mint sets. I think there were 2 or 3 more of these cents as well.
This 1995 P doubled die cent came from a bank roll of mixed dates back in '95
I bought this circulated 1994 DDR cheap but felt like throwing it in here.
I imagine this is a struck thru grease
And lastly what I think is a die gauge. Perhaps you could tell me?
joeyuk: That's some neat ones. I really like that '94 DDR. That's another tuff sucker to find. I think I have come across about 3 of them since 94 in circulation. Do you know there is another '94 that has doubling like that in the last Memorial bay that is similar but is a totally different DDR? I haven't come across that one yet in circulation, though I did get to examine one and photo for my files from a collector who sent it in to me.
This is the other '94 DDR -- assigned in my files as 1994 1c CDDR-009. One can see extra column remnants with the last two Memorial bays. This one was sent in to me from Brian Allen. I think RBinTex has a really high grade one. Maybe he will chime in. I'm not sure if CONECA has this one listed or not.
Thanks. I have seen his auction. I enjoy your book as well. Alot of good pics. Many auctions list specific varieties but you need a good reference to see them. There are no detailed pics. in the auctions.
Just received this today. I saw it on ebay, and thought there was a possibility it was 1927d/d rpm-1, ddo 1-O-IV, FS-013.51 just from the location of the mm, no closeup, so I took a chance. It is, and I'm gonna count it as a circ find. Not a bad looking coin either, ngc au55bn. Thanks to Pat Braddick, another great coin from a great seller.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
The '70-S/S is available in the 1970 mint set. It is only slightly more common than the small date which is also in the set. These come real nice and are rarely pulled out so are much easier to find than the sm dt now days. The sm date runs a little over 10% and the S/S a little over 12%.
"Just received this today. I saw it on ebay, and thought there was a possibility it was 1927d/d rpm-1, ddo 1-O-IV, FS-013.51 just from the location of the mm, no closeup, so I took a chance. It is, and I'm gonna count it as a circ find. Not a bad looking coin either, ngc au55bn. Thanks to Pat Braddick, another great coin from a great seller."
WOW!!! That is a super nice one Bill!!! Congrats!!! I'm guessing it wasn't annotated on the holder insert?
Ok, is this the 83-P quarter mentioned? You guys got me pulling out coins I haven't looked at in at least 10 years. I used to search for errors from circulation back in the early 80s. I had Alan Hebert's error book, and was very excited to find this quarter with both a cud and die cracks. Can you tell me a bit about it? Is the "sunken die" evidenced by the valley to the right of the cud, above the TY of LIBERTY? I also found an 82-P half missing the FG initials on the reverse, 83-P Jefferson with obverse die so offset that the tops of IN GOD WE TRUST are partially cut off, and a small 86-P Roosie clipped planchet. Thanks for an interesting thread.
"A happy person is not a person in a certain set of circumstances, but rather a person with a certain set of attitudes"--Hugh Downs
<< <i>"Just received this today. I saw it on ebay, and thought there was a possibility it was 1927d/d rpm-1, ddo 1-O-IV, FS-013.51 just from the location of the mm, no closeup, so I took a chance. It is, and I'm gonna count it as a circ find. Not a bad looking coin either, ngc au55bn. Thanks to Pat Braddick, another great coin from a great seller."
WOW!!! That is a super nice one Bill!!! Congrats!!! I'm guessing it wasn't annotated on the holder insert? >>
That's correct, Billy. These are Pat's images, I tried to blow up the first to see, but finally just had to go by the positioning. I found a 45bn raw a while back to compare positioning with. A case of nothing ventured, nothing gained, and it paid off.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>Ok, is this the 83-P quarter mentioned? You guys got me pulling out coins I haven't looked at in at least 10 years. I used to search for errors from circulation back in the early 80s. I had Alan Hebert's error book, and was very excited to find this quarter with both a cud and die cracks. Can you tell me a bit about it? Is the "sunken die" evidenced by the valley to the right of the cud, above the TY of LIBERTY? I also found an 82-P half missing the FG initials on the reverse, 83-P Jefferson with obverse die so offset that the tops of IN GOD WE TRUST are partially cut off, and a small 86-P Roosie clipped planchet. Thanks for an interesting thread. >>
Very nice coin. I've never seen that particular cud and it's a nice high grade specimen of a tough date. It's also a type "d" reverse which is a little tougher for this date. The double cud specimen has the ob- verse cud in the exact same spot as yours but it is much larger and extends well into the head and takes out the ERT of LIBERTY. There is no die crack adjacent to it but there are almost everywhere else. The reverse has a little smaller cud that takes out OF AM and half the E extending into the eagles wing only slightly. There is die damage on the opposite wing, under the eagles tail, and at the bridge of Washington's nose. It is the regular type "c" reverse with the large motto.
"Just received this today. I saw it on ebay, and thought there was a possibility it was 1927d/d rpm-1, ddo 1-O-IV, FS-013.51 just from the location of the mm, no closeup, so I took a chance. It is, and I'm gonna count it as a circ find. Not a bad looking coin either, ngc au55bn. Thanks to Pat Braddick, another great coin from a great seller."
WOW!!! That is a super nice one Bill!!! Congrats!!! I'm guessing it wasn't annotated on the holder insert?
That's correct, Billy. These are Pat's images, I tried to blow up the first to see, but finally just had to go by the positioning. I found a 45bn raw a while back to compare positioning with. A case of nothing ventured, nothing gained, and it paid off.
Hey Bill -- help me out, I'm confused. Why didn't NGC annotate on the holder insert? It's a FS-013.51 CPG variety -- I thought they would put that on the holder since NGC does recognize FS numbers? Or, would it not be on the insert because the coin wasn't submitted for the error/variety designation?
Billy, I think the submitter must have missed it, either from not knowing varieties or assuming that ngc would note it. Maybe it then did not go to a grader familiar with varieties. Since they charge extra for the variety designations, the services probably don't do it whether they notice it or not, if it hasn't been paid for. Not going to happen on something like the 1955/55 ddo-1, since even the submitter will notice that. I admit to being surprised on this one, as the rpm displays even the bottom separation as seen in the CPG image, and clearly shows the additionally diagnostic obverse die doubling when you get a chance to examine it in hand.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>Billy, I think the submitter must have missed it, either from not knowing varieties or assuming that ngc would note it. Maybe it then did not go to a grader familiar with varieties. Since they charge extra for the variety designations, the services probably don't do it whether they notice it or not, if it hasn't been paid for. Not going to happen on something like the 1955/55 ddo-1, since even the submitter will notice that. I admit to being surprised on this one, as the rpm displays even the bottom separation as seen in the CPG image, and clearly shows the additionally diagnostic obverse die doubling when you get a chance to examine it in hand. >>
Ahhh yes -- one must submit it for variety designation and more importantly -- pay the extra cost.
While this thread is on the subject of varieties -- Bill, have you ever come across or know anything about the 1955-D 1c FS-021.95? I have been searching for years and must have looked at a ton of 55-D's, (BU rolls, circulated rolls, circulated wheat bags, etc.) but have not seen anything that would even start to resemble that CPG listing. Has anybody come across one of those?
Billy, I have not, and I also have searched many unc rolls of 55d 1c. It certainly appears, from the CPG image, to be what they say it is, d over horizontal d, rather than something like a die chip.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Hree are a few pics I took last night of a 1917 DDO FS-013. This isn't the same coin, but I did find one of these in a group of pre-1940 wheats I bought through a Coin World ad in my youth.
To go back for a minute to the coin that started this thread, the 1980 DDO - that is one of my favorite modern varieties. I had an example for a long time that I purchased from Bill O'Rourke, who wrote (writes?) the "Found in Rolls" column in Coin World. I purchased some minor varieties from him and mentioned in passing that if he ever came upon a 1980 DDO, I'd buy immediately it. Not even a week later, I got a note back that he'd found one in a roll. I've also heard that hoards of the variety exist, one company in particular that used to run a buy ad for 1972 and 1980 cent bags in CW purportedly had over 2,500 specimens.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
I've also heard that hoards of the variety exist, one company in particular that used to run a buy ad for 1972 and 1980 cent bags in CW purportedly had over 2,500 specimens.
Gulp -- hmmm, I hope that if they do have that many they keep em at a low profile.
Very nice 17 DDO Sean. Doubling shows up well on that one.
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Here is a nice 41S I posted here a while back. Can you ID this trumpet S for me?
Great show everybody. I enjoyed it! We made past 50. Thanks ... Happy Hunting!!!!
<< <i>This was a great thread Billy, thanks for all your input and it was fun. Now to start another search because you got the excitement flowing again. >>
Was!?!
Maybe we could keep it going.
Another coin I found a few years back was the '83-P 25c with a cud on both sides. This
was a little later die state than the one Coin World reported. This coin also had dozens
of die breaks and looked like the dies were about to shatter. One thing that didn't show
up well in the Coin World photo is indentation damage to the dies. It appears that these
indentations were caused by the broken pieces of the die getting caught in a strike. I can't
actually make out detail in them and it could be caused by debris which started the process.
I recently came across 30 shot gun rolls kept in a not so air tight safe since 1980. To my disipointment I no DDO were found. As a matter of fact most of the cents were in terrible condition due to dampness.
I'm happy for your nice find, keep hunting.
<< <i>
<< <i>This was a great thread Billy, thanks for all your input and it was fun. Now to start another search because you got the excitement flowing again. >>
Was!?!
Maybe we could keep it going.
Another coin I found a few years back was the '83-P 25c with a cud on both sides. This
was a little later die state than the one Coin World reported. This coin also had dozens
of die breaks and looked like the dies were about to shatter. One thing that didn't show
up well in the Coin World photo is indentation damage to the dies. It appears that these
indentations were caused by the broken pieces of the die getting caught in a strike. I can't
actually make out detail in them and it could be caused by debris which started the process. >>
I remember reading about that 83-P in CW. That's a tuff one. Have you got any pics of it?
Nope -- don't have that one in my files yet. Nice one! CONECA RPM-001 right?
Here is another recent find for you. I believe it is the CONECA-002
I had this rev double clash in my Dansco for a while and didn't
notice the clash till I upgraded.
Found a bunch of these in a original roll.
Cut this 1970-S rpm-1 from a mint set. Guess thats whare they all come from. Also
found 2 1970-D ddr dimes from that same lot of 20 mint sets. I think there were 2 or
3 more of these cents as well.
This 1995 P doubled die cent came from a bank roll of mixed dates back in '95
I bought this circulated 1994 DDR cheap but felt like throwing it in here.
I imagine this is a struck thru grease
And lastly what I think is a die gauge. Perhaps you could tell me?
<< <i>Billy is that other '94 have doubling outside of the bays as well as between? >>
It doesn't have any outside of the bays or building. Hang on and I will get you a pic of it....
Many auctions list specific varieties but you need a good reference to see them.
There are no detailed pics. in the auctions.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>
>>
The '70-S/S is available in the 1970 mint set. It is only slightly more common than the small date
which is also in the set. These come real nice and are rarely pulled out so are much easier to find
than the sm dt now days. The sm date runs a little over 10% and the S/S a little over 12%.
WOW!!! That is a super nice one Bill!!! Congrats!!! I'm guessing it wasn't annotated on the holder insert?
I used to search for errors from circulation back in the early 80s. I had Alan Hebert's error book, and was very excited to find this quarter with both a cud and die cracks. Can you tell me a bit about it? Is the "sunken die" evidenced by the valley to the right of the cud, above the TY of LIBERTY?
I also found an 82-P half missing the FG initials on the reverse, 83-P Jefferson with obverse die so offset that the tops of IN GOD WE TRUST are partially cut off, and a small 86-P Roosie clipped planchet.
Thanks for an interesting thread.
<< <i>"Just received this today. I saw it on ebay, and thought there was a possibility it was 1927d/d rpm-1, ddo 1-O-IV, FS-013.51 just from the location of the mm, no closeup, so I took a chance. It is, and I'm gonna count it as a circ find. Not a bad looking coin either, ngc au55bn. Thanks to Pat Braddick, another great coin from a great seller."
WOW!!! That is a super nice one Bill!!! Congrats!!! I'm guessing it wasn't annotated on the holder insert? >>
That's correct, Billy. These are Pat's images, I tried to blow up the first to see, but finally just had to go by the positioning. I found a 45bn raw a while back to compare positioning with. A case of nothing ventured, nothing gained, and it paid off.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>Ok, is this the 83-P quarter mentioned? You guys got me pulling out coins I haven't looked at in at least 10 years.
I used to search for errors from circulation back in the early 80s. I had Alan Hebert's error book, and was very excited to find this quarter with both a cud and die cracks. Can you tell me a bit about it? Is the "sunken die" evidenced by the valley to the right of the cud, above the TY of LIBERTY?
I also found an 82-P half missing the FG initials on the reverse, 83-P Jefferson with obverse die so offset that the tops of IN GOD WE TRUST are partially cut off, and a small 86-P Roosie clipped planchet.
Thanks for an interesting thread. >>
Very nice coin. I've never seen that particular cud and it's a nice high grade specimen of a tough date.
It's also a type "d" reverse which is a little tougher for this date. The double cud specimen has the ob-
verse cud in the exact same spot as yours but it is much larger and extends well into the head and takes
out the ERT of LIBERTY. There is no die crack adjacent to it but there are almost everywhere else. The
reverse has a little smaller cud that takes out OF AM and half the E extending into the eagles wing only
slightly. There is die damage on the opposite wing, under the eagles tail, and at the bridge of Washington's
nose. It is the regular type "c" reverse with the large motto.
WOW!!! That is a super nice one Bill!!! Congrats!!! I'm guessing it wasn't annotated on the holder insert?
That's correct, Billy. These are Pat's images, I tried to blow up the first to see, but finally just had to go by the positioning. I found a 45bn raw a while back to compare positioning with. A case of nothing ventured, nothing gained, and it paid off.
Hey Bill -- help me out, I'm confused. Why didn't NGC annotate on the holder insert? It's a FS-013.51 CPG variety -- I thought they would put that on the holder since NGC does recognize FS numbers? Or, would it not be on the insert because the coin wasn't submitted for the error/variety designation?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>Billy, I think the submitter must have missed it, either from not knowing varieties or assuming that ngc would note it. Maybe it then did not go to a grader familiar with varieties. Since they charge extra for the variety designations, the services probably don't do it whether they notice it or not, if it hasn't been paid for. Not going to happen on something like the 1955/55 ddo-1, since even the submitter will notice that. I admit to being surprised on this one, as the rpm displays even the bottom separation as seen in the CPG image, and clearly shows the additionally diagnostic obverse die doubling when you get a chance to examine it in hand. >>
Ahhh yes -- one must submit it for variety designation and more importantly -- pay the extra cost.
While this thread is on the subject of varieties -- Bill, have you ever come across or know anything about the 1955-D 1c FS-021.95? I have been searching for years and must have looked at a ton of 55-D's, (BU rolls, circulated rolls, circulated wheat bags, etc.) but have not seen anything that would even start to resemble that CPG listing. Has anybody come across one of those?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
To go back for a minute to the coin that started this thread, the 1980 DDO - that is one of my favorite modern varieties. I had an example for a long time that I purchased from Bill O'Rourke, who wrote (writes?) the "Found in Rolls" column in Coin World. I purchased some minor varieties from him and mentioned in passing that if he ever came upon a 1980 DDO, I'd buy immediately it. Not even a week later, I got a note back that he'd found one in a roll. I've also heard that hoards of the variety exist, one company in particular that used to run a buy ad for 1972 and 1980 cent bags in CW purportedly had over 2,500 specimens.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Gulp -- hmmm, I hope that if they do have that many they keep em at a low profile.
Very nice 17 DDO Sean. Doubling shows up well on that one.