This weeks finds, I need the Lincoln experts!!! Come on guys, modern crap need some love too!!
MadMarty
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Some very nice Kennedys for the collection and is this 1970 Proof LD Lincoln a FS-030.6???
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!
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I'm no expert, but that looks like machine doubling. It usually is evidenced by the rolling of metal around the suspected area. It is not a double strike, but rather a shift of the die during the strike (hence : machine doubling). So, instead of a distinct, evenly struck doubling, it comes out without uniformity and tends to "push the excess metal out of the way and upward.
These opinions are based off of actual findings. My nephew ran down here last nite with a "NEW FIND". It was a 1973 Kennedy. Beautiful machine doubling, but once he understood what to look for, he also understood the 'insignificance" of his find. One other thing to look for is the ZERO in the date on that Lincoln. To the left you will see a SHELF, this is a classic example of machine doubling.
Nice Kennedy halves. The two on the second row seem to have some haze. (what's the secret on removal of that ?)
That's my two cents worth
Joe
<< <i>Nice Kennedy halves. The two on the second row seem to have some haze. (what's the secret on removal of that ?) >>
That is my secret!!! But part of it involves collecting cat urine and squeezing lots of grapefruits!!
coneca lists 7 proof ddo's and i have 2 others that aren't listed either and yours don't match mine either.
i suspect strike doubling.
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<< <i>Nice Kennedy halves. The two on the second row seem to have some haze. (what's the secret on removal of that ?) >>
That is my secret!!! But part of it involves collecting cat urine and squeezing lots of grapefruits!! >>
LMAO.... Um, I don't have a cat
could I send you a few of my hazed ones ?
you work hard to find these coins, but you post on a weekly
basis your new finds. i am beginning to consider the coins you
are looking for are quite common.
yes you work hard, but consistnently find more and more.
one has to wonder if the slabbed examples are way overpriced
due to people buying slabs and not looking for raw examples
that appear to be everywhere in the USA if one looks consistently.
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<< <i>marty,
you work hard to find these coins, but you post on a weekly
basis your new finds. i am beginning to consider the coins you
are looking for are quite common.
yes you work hard, but consistnently find more and more.
one has to wonder if the slabbed examples are way overpriced
due to people buying slabs and not looking for raw examples
that appear to be everywhere in the USA if one looks consistently. >>
Yes I work hard to find them. Common? I don't think so. When it comes to DCAMs/UCAMs there are 2 types of frost on the Kennedys. There is silver frost, these will only CAM at PCGS. Then there is WHITE frost, you need to fine the combination of WHITE frost, and BLACK fields to score a DCAM at PCGS. Then you have the grade to contend with, let's say I submit 20 coins (after dehazing). Half will UCAM, the other half will CAM or *CAM. Out of the remaining 10, maybe 4 will grade 69UCAM. OUt of those 4 maybe 1 or 2 will cross to PCGS. PCGS and NGC look at the UCAM/DCAM designation differently, NGC will UCAM a coin with silver frost, PCGS will not. They are NOT easy to find, I may search through a couple hundred proof sets a week and find a handful worth submitting. The nice part is, sometimes you find a run of them.
but.... the proof Lincoln is mechanical doubling. Sorry!
<< <i>I don't know what the Olympic Rings of Crap are doing there ...
That's the Ring of MODERN CRAP!!
<< <i>one has to wonder if the slabbed examples are way overpriced
due to people buying slabs and not looking for raw examples >>
Like, say, people who pay a mechanic to fix their car because they aren't willing or able to do the work themselves? Or hire a contractor to remodel their kitchen because they don't have the time to do the job themselves? There's a lot more to these coins then just the coin. There's the hours and hours of searching for them and the ability to recognize the few diamonds hiding in the field of turds.
If it were easy, they wouldn't bring any money even in a slab. That's why PR69DCAMs from 1978 on barely bring submission costs.
Russ, NCNE
thank you both for taking the time to type out such nice
responses to my critical opinion which is changing everyday.
i am beginning to realize just how tough these coins are
and how marty puts value into them by searching for the
best examples.
If you search hundreds of proof sets per week, do you mark your scent on previously searched ones, like I saw Russ do at shows, so you don't waste your time on the same ones again?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
Here's mine:
<< <i>Marty,
If you search hundreds of proof sets per week, do you mark your scent on previously searched ones, like I saw Russ do at shows, so you don't waste your time on the same ones again? >>
Depends what dealer, I do have one that I put a small mark on the package. Then I know what sets I have already looked through. One dealer just puts the new stuff in a box until I look through it.
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<< <i>marty,
you work hard to find these coins, but you post on a weekly
basis your new finds. i am beginning to consider the coins you
are looking for are quite common.
yes you work hard, but consistnently find more and more.
one has to wonder if the slabbed examples are way overpriced
due to people buying slabs and not looking for raw examples
that appear to be everywhere in the USA if one looks consistently. >>
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This is one of the neatest things about the moderns; rarities are everywhere!!! It's not just
what you find in dealers stock or on ebay, the same applies to the circulating coins. Even in
a relatively small sample you can find rarities and scarcity. It will be something different every
time since that's the nature of rarity but it's out there because people aren't looking. It's found
everywhere. Just when you think you'll never find one thing, you'll find something equally good
and eventually you just might find everything.
good explanation, MadMan. please excuse my frankness, but with this understanding and given the number of coins you regularly look at, you should be a little more proficient at weeding out the correct coins to submit.
<< <i>When it comes to DCAMs/UCAMs there are 2 types of frost on the Kennedys. There is silver frost, these will only CAM at PCGS. Then there is WHITE frost, you need to fine the combination of WHITE frost, and BLACK fields to score a DCAM at PCGS. Then you have the grade to contend with, let's say I submit 20 coins (after dehazing). Half will UCAM, the other half will CAM or *CAM. Out of the remaining 10, maybe 4 will grade 69UCAM. OUt of those 4 maybe 1 or 2 will cross to PCGS. PCGS and NGC look at the UCAM/DCAM designation differently, NGC will UCAM a coin with silver frost, PCGS will not.
good explanation, MadMan. please excuse my frankness, but with this understanding and given the number of coins you regularly look at, you should be a little more proficient at weeding out the correct coins to submit. >>
Well Al, that is where the graders OPINION comes in. I have to admit it, I really have a hard time telling the difference between a 68DCAM and a 69DCAM!