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I bought this $5 half eagle gold coin on Ebay the other day for $330.00. It is slabbed and graded by PCI as MS-60. Any guess as to what it would make at PCGS?

I have this coin and several others that are both slabbed and unslabbed (4 Indian gold coins, 2 Morgans, 1 Washington quarter, 2 Barber dimes) that I am considering sending off.

If I join the PCGS as a "platinum member" will the 8 free grades cover these types of coins?

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  • All the way to page 7 and no response.
  • Looks like some rub on the top of the eagles feathers and the cheek bone of the indian. Alot of contact marks above and around the "In God we trust". Some noticable ticks in the field above the and in front of the nose. Clouds in bonnet and head band look like some rub. I think AU53 - AU55 hard to tell the incuse coins (or any coin) by a image.

    Just my 2 cents
  • I'd say between 58 and 61, possibly cleaned. The area around E PLURIBUS UNUM looks suspect...
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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570
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    It's hard to grade these from photos and one man's MS60 is another mans AU-55 so image

    The 8 free submissions are "regular" so they cover any US coins.

    Good Luck!
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  • ArtistArtist Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭
    These are tough to grade in person, let alone from a photo, but what the heck, I'll take a shot:

    Overall the luster looks good, although the places to really check are the buldges of the fields by the Indian's neck and between the Eagle's legs. Does the luster on these points match the rest of the coin? If so, then the coin is probably UNC, otherwise high-AU.

    There is some chatter that looks a little distracting, especially around the motto "In God We Trust," but this may be acceptable for an UNC coin, but I suspect it will keep the grade below MS62.

    The details on your coin look great, especially in the head dress. Looks like a better than average strike to me, and this is usually what seperates the the 61s from the 62s in the slider range.

    So in summery, if there is wear on the high points of the fields of this coin, then it would probably go AU-55, (58 if not for the chatter.) If there is no wear on the coin, then MS61 would be my guess for better than average strike but worse than average field chatter. If the coin has poor eye appeael, then PCI's MS60 seems about right.



  • It looks very low mint state grade to me unless it is cleaned.
  • Thanks a lot guys. I didn't expect the existing grade from PCI to hold up and I don't have the coin in hand yet. I will send it in to PCGS and see what happens and post the results. From what I read, its going to take awhile to get them sent in and back, but it will be worth it.

    I have bought 3 Indian quarter eagles, 2 half eagles one liberty half eagle and one eagle and plan on sending them all in and seeing how I did buying them. I have read a lot about fraud, counterfits, especially with these types of coins and it will be interesting to see what I end up with.

    Only one other coin has been graded (if you can call it that), is the 1881S Liberty half eagle that is graded NNC MS-60 PL. I gave less than $175 for it, so I can't get hurt unless its a fake.


  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    It looks like an AU coin to me. I'll guess AU 55...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭
    Nice icon, that is from my 1910-S Half Eagle. There is a lot of traffic in the fields and some deep dings. It is really hard to tell from the pics if there is any wear on the cheek or eagle's shoulder. If there is any sign of wear I would bet AU55 or AU58. If there is no wear on the cheek or shoulder then it may actually cross at 60.

    Don't for get to put a minimum grade for the cross over or they will assume you only want it to cross at the current grade and they will send it back in the original holder.
  • hi
    from all the light hair lines,looks au,and cleaned.
    iliveforcoins
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,347 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>hi
    from all the light hair lines,looks au,and cleaned.
    iliveforcoins >>



    Light hairlines are to be expected since this series did not have raised rims to protect the fields. I don't see any evidence of cleaning in your pics but it may be cleaned.


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  • morganbarbermorganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
    It looks AU to me. Probably 55. If mint state, would be a 62.
    I collect circulated U.S. silver
  • ebaytraderebaytrader Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭
    AU55 to AU58 - commercial unc material.
  • BB or AU something to MS62.
    If that mint mark is a circle you are in business !
    I'd rather be lucky than good.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,442 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think PCGS likes MS60, so it probably won't cross, but the coin looks better than AU...

    So with a little luck, you may get a 61, and yes, if you join PCGS those type coins can be used as your "complimentary" submissions.
  • bcinokbcinok Posts: 29
    Grade posted today for this coin from PCGS is AU58.

    Had been in a PCI holder as a MS60 coin.

    I have nine more crossover grades for gold coins purchased from Ebay that I will be posting in a new topic.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,347 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd say between 58 and 61, possibly cleaned. >>

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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    55
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
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  • bcinokbcinok Posts: 29


    << <i>55 >>



    Nope, it was a 58. I gave the grade in my previous post as received from PCGS.
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    It looks like you did well crossing this Indian. Good luck on your future submissions.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.

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