POP QUIZ! For you "classics" people. A few very easy questions.
Russ
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In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo Accented Hairs graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo 1965 SMS Kennedys graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo 1966 SMS Jeffersons graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of MS67 1970-D Kennedys graded at PCGS?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Full Step 1968-D Jeffersons graded at PCGS (in any grade)? For that matter, how many have they graded in their history?
Since these coins are all common as dirt, there must have been a boatload of each.
Russ, NCNE
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo 1965 SMS Kennedys graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo 1966 SMS Jeffersons graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of MS67 1970-D Kennedys graded at PCGS?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Full Step 1968-D Jeffersons graded at PCGS (in any grade)? For that matter, how many have they graded in their history?
Since these coins are all common as dirt, there must have been a boatload of each.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>The answers are 6, 18, zero, Canada and banana >>
This is not a Netflix commercial.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>I will guess zero for all of the above >>
Nah, that would have been too easy.
Russ, NCNE
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It might also be pointed out that these extremely common coins sell for big bucks so it's not like there's no one looking.
<< <i>In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo Accented Hairs graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo 1965 SMS Kennedys graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo 1966 SMS Jeffersons graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of MS67 1970-D Kennedys graded at PCGS?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Full Step 1968-D Jeffersons graded at PCGS (in any grade)? For that matter, how many have they graded in their history?
Since these coins are all common as dirt, there must have been a boatload of each.
Russ, NCNE >>
Problem is, not many people care. I know I don't. Could have been one example of each, I'd shrug my shoulders and say "big deal".
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<< <i>Problem is, not many people care. >>
If that were actually true, the coins would not bring the big money they do in the marketplace. In other words, your statement makes no sense.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>Problem is, not many people care. >>
If that were actually true, the coins would not bring the big money they do in the marketplace. In other words, your statement makes no sense.
Russ, NCNE >>
It only takes 2 people to bring the prices up, not a whole army.
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<< <i><< Problem is, not many people care. >>
If that were actually true, the coins would not bring the big money they do in the marketplace. In other words, your statement makes no sense.
Russ, NCNE >>
It only takes 2 people to bring the prices up, not a whole army. >>
Every time I sell a modern pop top I get 25 to 30 bidders. Try again.
Russ, NCNE
Tom
<< <i>The chances of finding piles of DCAM 65 halves is going down every day >>
You're dangerously close to grokking the issue.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>When did they start making Kennedy half dollars?
Tom >>
You Classic guys need an edumacation in modern stufff....................
<< <i>The chances of finding piles of DCAM 65 halves is going down every day >>
Of course the chance is going down along with the chance of finding any high grade coin. My bet is that a DCAM 65 SMS coin could be found much easier than a 1918D Merc dime which has never had a 67 graded at PCGS in FB or otherwise.
This not to put down moderns but I really think there are more coins out there than what the modern collectors think. Heck I ran into some SMS sets at a small out of the way shop in good old nowhere Oregon. Baby Boomers and their parents bought this stuff up like crazy. Most has not been turned loose yet in my opinion. Give it a few more years and then ask this question. Untill then the jury is still out and just maybe Russ is correct or just maybe Laura is correct.
Ken
<< <i>Heck I ran into some SMS sets at a small out of the way shop in good old nowhere Oregon. >>
I run in to hundreds of SMS sets every month. Never found a DCAM 1965 SMS Kennedy, though. And, I'm just one of hundreds of people looking for them. Since any DCAM brings strong money, there's a hell of a lot of incentive to find them - and yet nobody is. So, where are they?
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>The chances of finding piles of DCAM 65 halves is going down every day >>
Of course the chance is going down along with the chance of finding any high grade coin. My bet is that a DCAM 65 SMS coin could be found much easier than a 1918D Merc dime which has never had a 67 graded at PCGS in FB or otherwise.
This not to put down moderns but I really think there are more coins out there than what the modern collectors think. Heck I ran into some SMS sets at a small out of the way shop in good old nowhere Oregon. Baby Boomers and their parents bought this stuff up like crazy. Most has not been turned loose yet in my opinion. Give it a few more years and then ask this question. Untill then the jury is still out and just maybe Russ is correct or just maybe Laura is correct.
Ken >>
I hit some shops in Oregon back in the late '70's. I didn't find much, though.
I think that was where I got my best '70-D half dollar so it wasn't a waste.
You're probably right about the 18-D merc because that was a little before coins
started getting saved in large numbers and it's not an easy date in high grade.
But it wouldn't be true for most post 1925 coins. The '31 to '64 coins were set aside
in substantial numbers and extant rolls at the beginning of this period would have
a better chance of survival. People saved some of the moderns but very few were
saved in large numbers.
Even if DCAM '65 halfs were much more common than they are, pops still couldn't
increase substantially just because a very high percentage of these sets are al-
ready gone. One would have to believe that the few remaining sets will turn up
far higher percentages of these gems than did those already seen or collected.
This would be absurd since collectors will seek the better sets when given a choice.
To believe there are hordes would require you to believe that someone was actu-
ally able to go through 100,000 of these sets without attracting any attention and
then sit on the coins as the price has increased thousands of fold.
There are no hordes and no substantial quantities remaining in the surviving sets.
Indeed, in the not too distant future, the sets are likely to become too scarce to sup-
ply even the typical examples that are in much higher demand. When this happens
the cost of this set could put a damper on the amount of searching. It's hard to seach
for that one in ten thousand coin when the sets are found one or two at a time.
The coin exists... it just may not exit in the quantity that one would expect considering the coin itself is 31 years old.
I asked a simple question on another thread not too long ago in connection the number of 1734 Crowns from England were graded by NGC or even PCGS IN ANY GRADE... and I am willing to suggest that the numbe is small. I never got an answer....
The point that I am making is simple... these coins do not exist in a surviving population that is anywhere close to that of the 1965 SMS KENNEDY.
Now lets break it down into condition concensus numbers... there are probably less than 10-15 known uncirculated examples of this date... and I will defer to someone who can provide a better figure for known uncs for this date.
There are several hundred thousand 1965 SMS Kennedy Halfs... Will I find and DCAM 66 or 67? Perhaps I won't and I think there are many collectors, including myself, that can live with that disappointment... on the other hand... an MS 1734 Crown is different and perhaps that difference can not be reduced to writing in a format that would be easy reading on the forum...
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<< <i>Every time I sell a modern pop top I get 25 to 30 bidders. >>
Let's see, according to the government there are 140 million collectors, most of which have gotten started because of the state quarters so by definition they are Modern collectors. And when Russ sells a pop top he gets 25 to 30 of these 140 million Modern collectors to bid. So .000021% of the modern collectors are showing interest.
<< <i>Isn't there a law that prevents the depiction of a real person on a coin? >>
No. And it doesn't matter if they are living or dead either. Either type can be shown on a coin.
<< <i>In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo Accented Hairs graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo 1965 SMS Kennedys graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Deep Cameo 1966 SMS Jeffersons graded at PCGS, (in any grade)?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of MS67 1970-D Kennedys graded at PCGS?
In the entire year of 2005, what was the total number of Full Step 1968-D Jeffersons graded at PCGS (in any grade)? For that matter, how many have they graded in their history?
Since these coins are all common as dirt, there must have been a boatload of each.
Russ, NCNE >>
These coins - like most moder proof coins-- are fine in the government holders they are in. I think this way and I am sure millions of others think this way also. Aside from the registry weenies---Why would I want to swap my nice safe US Mint holder into a TPG plastic tomb ----AND HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT HONOR NO LESS.
I have safe boxes full of proof sets from the 60's and 70's that I have no desire whatsoever to even pull out to look at---why would I want to???? I will not pay to have them re-holdered by a TPG company when they are fine where they are---Kind of like the Plat coins---I love those gov cases they are in---WHY would I pay to have the case broken and put into a plastic slab??? I do not play the registry game.
I know the 68D FS Jeff is a tough coin -- look for that one, in fact look for all of these----Just don't expect a collector like myself to pay those ridiculous prices for them--- there are plenty of kids out there with money to burn that can have them. I will just enjoy mine in the nice little cases that they are in now.
Not that the information is not important to some, but the classic collectors would no more likely know that stuff as own beach front property on the moon.
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These coins - like most moder proof coins-- are fine in the government holders they are in. I think this way and I am sure millions of others think this way also. Aside from the registry weenies---Why would I want to swap my nice safe US Mint holder into a TPG plastic tomb ----AND HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT HONOR NO LESS.
I have safe boxes full of proof sets from the 60's and 70's that I have no desire whatsoever to even pull out to look at---why would I want to???? I will not pay to have them re-holdered by a TPG company when they are fine where they are---Kind of like the Plat coins---I love those gov cases they are in---WHY would I pay to have the case broken and put into a plastic slab??? I do not play the registry game.
I know the 68D FS Jeff is a tough coin -- look for that one, in fact look for all of these----Just don't expect a collector like myself to pay those ridiculous prices for them--- there are plenty of kids out there with money to burn that can have them. I will just enjoy mine in the nice little cases that they are in now. >>
Some proof set coins do not hold up well in the original packaging.
You can get a lot more coins in a box if they aren't in the packaging also. Since you don't
have to slab the run of the mill you can get more gems in the box or a smaller box.
Some people enjoy some aspects of registering their coins. It can be about pride, meeting
other collectors, or simply sharing what they've orked hard to assemble. It is not necessarily
about competition (not that there's anything wrong with that).
If you're enjoying what you're doing then you are doing it right but do check those sets in
your box and make a note of the problems. This way you can tell if they start changing.
Don't be too alarmed since safety deposit boxes usually are pretty good for storage of proof
sets so they are probably OK.
Good luck.
and 150 are left and gradeable by TPGs. They very well may
be the only ones left except for a few scattered examples.
there are no MS67s. there are no MS64s. there is one or two MS coins.
i am going to place my vote with others that the registry set craze thing
is driving up prices of fairly common material.
if i ever wanted a newer coin i would just look up the pops.
then by the coin right before the dramtic price increase.
always talking about top pops. no one seems to care about the 1000
other coins right below it.
<< <i>Why would classic collectors know or even care about that? >>
They don't know. They sure must care, though. Otherwise why the constant denigrating of high grade moderns and those who collect them? Which is, of course, the point. They are fond of attacking something they know nothing about.
Russ, NCNE
It looks obvious that the classic guys aren't even gonna guess so I am.
1, 1, 0, 1, 1.
The idea that these extremely valuable coins not being graded indicates some ort of scarcity
just seems to be lost on many. The idea that the undergrades not being slabbed because
they aren't worth the slabbing fee misleads many into believing they are all common. The simple
fact is that many of these coins are not common even in choice condition. A few of the varieties
don't even exist in unc. Some of these coins are rare in any grade.
People believe what they want to believe. But those who believe moderns are all common, mod-
ern collectors are all nuts, and modern dealers are all crooks have to ignore a lot of facts to main-
tain these beliefs. My favorite one though, is the belief that anyone who registers a set has base
motives and will pay anything for a coin to compete with other collectors. This, apparently, is near-
ly an admirable trait if one is collecting real coins but a symptom of insanity if he's collecting "common"
moderns.
RayOverby
<< <i>I believe there was 1 1968D PCGS MS64FS that was made in 2005. It is currently the only FS 1968D graded by PCGS. >>
Shoot. I knew that and edited before I saw this post. D'oh.
PCGS tightened up in 2005.. so that would explain the
lack of DCAM.
what about 2003 though? 2004?
It is almost like the definition of DCAM has changed in the year 2005
from the amount of discussion that took place.
1, 1, 0, 1, 1.
I guessed, and my guess was not very far from yours.
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<< <i>Why would classic collectors know or even care about that? >>
They don't know. They sure must care, though. Otherwise why the constant denigrating of high grade moderns and those who collect them? Which is, of course, the point. They are fond of attacking something they know nothing about.
Russ, NCNE >>
It's not really denigrating Russ. I just think that to most true blue coin collectors (myself included), there is just not enough difference between a 66 CAM and a 67 CAM to warrant the sometimes ridiculous (even you can admit that and still keep your stance) price difference. Once the registry game stops (read into that what you want) the 67 CAM will be more prized, but how much more prized is what makes some of us scratch our heads.
Besides---sparring with you and Don and Marty is freakin fun. Now Sam is in this for completely different reasons. Those of us that see that difference will just wink. Kinda like the college professor who teaches chemistry for his love of chemistry and the college professor who can't believe they pay him what they pay him every other Thursday.
Double besides--- All this crap is what makes life fun.
I still consider myself first and foremost a collector and secondarily a promoter. While I have
a speculative position this is not my motivation.
<< <i>It looks obvious that the classic guys aren't even gonna guess so I am.
1, 1, 0, 1, 1.
I guessed, and my guess was not very far from yours.
This isn't meant as a compliment or an insult but I think of you as a modern guy.
During the same time frame only one PO01 Ike was located and graded. Is it an impossible coin?
Look at the POPS for other Moderns (type one and type two 81-S coins, for example) and/or other moderns that are "semi-key" dates within the various series. The POPS are exploding as more and more coins are found, currated, and holdered via PCGS and NGC.
During the same time frame only one PO01 Ike was located and graded. Is it an impossible coin?
Look at the POPS for other Moderns (type one and type two 81-S coins, for example) and/or other moderns that are "semi-key" dates within the various series. The POPS are exploding as more and more coins are found, currated, and holdered via PCGS and NGC.
<< <i>To selectively pick and choose a few extremely difficult to locate modern coins (such as DCAM SMS Kennedys) does not an argument make.
During the same time frame only one PO01 Ike was located and graded. Is it an impossible coin?
Look at the POPS for other Moderns (type one and type two 81-S coins, for example) and/or other moderns that are "semi-key" dates within the various series. The POPS are exploding as more and more coins are found, currated, and holdered via PCGS and NGC.
As the interest in moderns increases there will be an explosion in the number of coins
slabbed just as there was an explosion in the number of classics slabbed back in the '80's.
For the main part these will not be rare moderns simply because rare coins don't show up
as often.
Excellent comeback. I prefer to think of myself as a modern enabler or sympathizer.
<< <i>1, 1, 0, 1, 1 >>
That's so binary of you.
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<< <i>what about 2003 though? >>
5 (2 were mine)
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<< <i>2004? >>
6 (5 were from a single dealer submission, highest 66DCAM)
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<< <i>I just think that to most true blue coin collectors (myself included), there is just not enough difference between a 66 CAM and a 67 CAM to warrant the sometimes ridiculous (even you can admit that and still keep your stance) price difference. >>
For these coins there is no ridiculous price difference between a 66CAM and a 67CAM. The appearance difference, however, can be dramatic.
<< <i>It's not really denigrating Russ. >>
No? Read your own words I just quoted. The clear inference is that a moderns collector is not a "true blue" collector. Moderns collectors are just as "true blue" as classics collectors. The difference is that we come up short in the snobbery department.
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The moderns bashers labor under the misconception that all moderns are the same, and prove this constantly with statements so ignorant that those who have actually spent time trying to find some of these coins can only shake our heads in wonder.
Moderns bashers are fond of constantly pointing to PR70DCAM coins and issuing their inane warnings that the values will go down. Well, duh! Thanks for pointing out the glaringly obvious. But, hey, here's a clue for you: They are just a very tiny part of the market.
Bottom line is this: We poor, stupid fools who enjoy moderns may actually know what we're doing. I know that'll come as a shock to you patrician classics collectors, but it's just something you'll have to live with.
Russ, NCNE
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