"Manufactured" PKOK Ikes being sold and SHILLED on eBay

Gandyjai

Just some observations about those "knock-off" PKOK's on eBay.....(#8392211168 & #8391438708)
By looking at the coin, I know it is a fake/"knock-off" PKOK....By digging a little deeper,...I wouldn't
trust him with a tenfoot pole and don't mind warning other Ike enthusiasts about him via the Forum.

Here is why:
He uses another eBay ID and shill bids up his coins/or some one else in the same house does.
User ID (kpl) seems to jump in his (kcla) PKOK auctions and throws down and slightly "hefty" bid early on
in the auctions (usually in the $67-$73 range) before it ever gets near that high.

Now,..... kpl and seller kcla not only both come from Utah, they not only sell some of the same
articles,.....but they even USE THE SAME PICS!(auctions#8394024447 & #8393681921)

I don't have a problem with friends "bumping up" another friend's auctions (without asking is cool).
It happens all the time....I do it every now and then, but only if I like the item and am willing to buy it if I am the winning bidder.
But, I do have a problem if they are from the same house (maybe even related).....that's pretty blatant shilling (IMHO).

It kind of bothers me a little that these PKOK Ikes are being "manufactured".....but, it bothers me A LOT more that
they are puposely being shilled up to relatively high $ value.

These "newly manufactured" PKOK Ikes are fairly close to looking like "Original PKOK Hoard" ones and may fool some
people.......The fact that they are shilling them should be enough to tell some one...DANGER......DANGER......BUYER BUWARE!

Brian

I LOVE ERROR & TONED IKES!

edited to add auction #s...Could some one please linkify...

keets

i don't see any listings by either seller for Ikes. can you give a link to a past auction??

keets

1972-S Proof

1974-S Proof

Coinhusker1

I saw those the other day. I automatically assumed they were crap AT coins and hit the back button. The SLC location is a nice touch though, and may fool a few people.

Hadleydog

I was interested in one (as well as the AT'd Morgan Braddick had up) to start an accumulation of at'd coins. Not gonna pay that kind of money simply for educational purposes though, so I will have to settle for accumulating pictures.

Millertime

<< <i>I saw those the other day. I automatically assumed they were crap AT coins and hit the back button. The SLC location is a nice touch though, and may fool a few people. >>



What do you mean by the SLC remark?

Millertime

braddick

I won this Ike from the same seller on Jan. 28th. Purchased without shilling involved.
I then won this Ike from the same seller a few days later (at 3X's the cost of the first! Purchased with shilling, unknown to me, involved.



Needless to say once I discovered the shananigans I stopped and refused to bid on the next two that came up (linked above).
Didn't matter though as the price climbed an additional 50% over the one I overpaid for!

Gandyjai

Pat,
WOW!!

If that doesn't take the cake! I guess he felt like he desrved more than what you got the first on for!
Sounds like you may have a good case for getting your money back (if you want).

Thing is, I don't know if eBay will do anything but slap them on the wrist for shilling......and selling "manufactured" or
"knock-off", PKOKs would be pretty hard to prove as being "fraud".........'kind of a grey area, I would think

Brian

I LOVE ERROR & TONED IKES!

edited for spellin'

segoja

Whoever is doing this ALMSOT has the accurate PKOK look down pat. (Braddick no pun intended)

THe aqua/green is exactly like the PKOK and the rainbow colors are close. The issue is the rainbow should be in concentric rings very tightly banded around the rims. Every proof PKOK has that look.

People are getting burned by this PKOK look a like. Spread the word.

I have a board member who sent me two of these. They look very good in person. The coins are out to PCGS who most likely will kick them back. We'll see.

In any case, there are games being played that are making the real thing less valuable.

rainbowroosie

"If" the 74 is done --- that's a good job!!!

jcping

If you saw Proof PKOK Ike dollars before, you could tell whether these two are original PKOK or not.

On the other hand, if PCGS slabs them, how many folks believes they are NT?

Myqqy

Does anybody have any pictures of real pkok ikes?

braddick

<< <i>Whoever is doing this ALMSOT has the accurate PKOK look down pat. (Braddick no pun intended) THe aqua/green is exactly like the PKOK and the rainbow colors are close. The issue is the rainbow should be in concentric rings very tightly banded around the rims. Every proof PKOK has that look. People are getting burned by this PKOK look a like. Spread the word. I have a board member who sent me two of these. They look very good in person. The coins are out to PCGS who most likely will kick them back. We'll see. In any case, there are games being played that are making the real thing less valuable. >>

Here's hoping PCGS does not slab the new ones! Now, here's my logic. At the expense of your two coins if PCGS sees these "new" Peacocks as market acceptable NT then it'll devalue all of them as the integrity of the older hoard will then be diminished somewhat.

I know NGC won't touch these and here's hoping PCGS doesn't either.

keets

i have never put much faith in the authenticity of the supposed Peacock Hoard coins, so i'd be naturally suspicious of these. what puts me over the edge are statements like Whoever is doing this ALMSOT has the accurate PKOK look down pat. it's almost an admission that the original coins are AT. heck, if one guy can almost do it again why couldn't another have already done it??

Mesquite

Correct me if I'm wrong (as if I had to ask!):

Were not the original PKOK coins MS Ikes? These are proof. Different species altogether.

The 1974 brown box Ikes do exactly what the guy says they do. They are unique among the bown boxes in that they halo tone. I'm not at all sure that his 1972 Ike proof is "real NT", but it is not unusual to see the 1974's tone like this.

Gandyjai

Actually,....I think that most of the original PKOK hoard are Silver Proofs. I can't recall
ever having seen a Clad Proof one. The MS ones are usually found in extra-ordinary high grades
and can bring SUPER-strong money.

The original hoard was "found" somewhere near Salt Lake City, Utah and was at a time when toned
Ikes were not of much interest at all and really brought no premium. So, there was really no incentive
to AT Ikes,....particularly high-grade ones (ie. 72-P MS66, 73-P MS66, 71-S MS67, 78-D MS66, ect...)

Bob Halstead wrote a nice feature on them in Wexler, Crawford and Flynn's "The Authoritative Reference
On Eisenhower Dollars" (pages 20-21).

Brian

Coinhusker1

<< <i>

<< <i>I saw those the other day. I automatically assumed they were crap AT coins and hit the back button. The SLC location is a nice touch though, and may fool a few people. >>



What do you mean by the SLC remark?

Millertime >>



The PKOK Ike hoard is rumored to have originated from a location in Salt Lake City.

braddick

Here's a pretty decent thread that ran on the Registry Forum awhile back.

It's a long read but interesting to those that find this coin so.

Gandyjai

He's BACK!... Although I don't think there is a shill in it this time..Auction#8395584523.

Brian

I LOVE ERROR & PEG-LEG IKES!

19Lyds

<< <i>Does anybody have any pictures of real pkok ikes? >>



Check out James Registry set. Link

Lots n lots of PKOK's.

bushmaster8

<< <i>I have a board member who sent me two of these. They look very good in person. The coins are out to PCGS who most likely will kick them back. We'll see. >>



I got a peek at these last weekend and I will be surprised if PCGS does not holder them.

MikeInFL

The PKOK Ikes are AT, and so are the Ikes identified in this thread....Mike

SUPERCARCOINS

....i like it when someone says flat out they believe they are fake toned !

But there is a boardmember here that demands proof if a statement

like that is made.........

I doubt he will respond however ; hopefully he is in a rehab center

Coinhusker1

<< <i>The PKOK Ikes are AT, and so are the Ikes identified in this thread....Mike >>



These are factual statements -- I guess that means you witnessed the artificial toning of all these coins.

bushmaster8

MikeinFloriduh... you care to elaborate??