New non-Laura post - VAM ID help, (please)

BlindedByEgo

1888 P Morgan, smoething going on at the base of the first *. Don't have a VAM book, too lazy to go out and buy one... Can you all help me?

Thanks, gotta go out and buy groceries for my wife now (it's her birthday week). I'll check back later for your informed opinions.

DickyBetz

No idea about the vam#, but the fact that you said Lauras name in the title makes this a Laura thread. Sorry.

MAD4MORGANS

You photos are not big enough and how good are you at counting denticles?

Just kidding (for now).

It looks like it could be a "slanted date" or maybe a "near slanted date" VAM. Maybe a VAM-8 or 10. I didn't see anything in the VAM Encyclopedia with that little die gouge on the bottom of the first 8.

But check to see if you have any doubling on the coin such as the ear, stars, Motto on the reverse, or in the lettering of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

eyoung429

It seriously looks like a Vam 25 Double Date

25 III2 20 · C3a (Doubled Date, 8 in Denticles) ( ? ) I-3 R-7

Obverse III220– Entire date strongly doubled to left. 1 is doubled strongly at top left as vertical bar, slightly at left top of lower cross bar and as thin line at lower left of lower cross bar. First 8 doubled strongly at lower left outside of lower loop as a curved bar. Second 8 doubled strongly at lower left outside of lower loop. Third 8 doubled slightly at top left inside of upper loop. Top of 8 showing in denticles as raised curved bars in two field spaces between denticles between second and third 8's.



If it is, HELLA GOOD JOB!!!!!

BlindedByEgo

<< <i>You photos are not big enough and how good are you at counting denticles?

Just kidding (for now).

It looks like it could be a "slanted date" or maybe a "near slanted date" VAM. Maybe a VAM-8 or 10. I didn't see anything in the VAM Encyclopedia with that little die gouge on the bottom of the first 8.

But check to see if you have any doubling on the coin such as the ear, stars, Motto on the reverse, or in the lettering of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. >>




I thought that you VAM guys liked big pics

You mean to tell me that you can't tell from those photos if there is doubling?

Could it be a discovery coin? It is a more than insignificant "die gouge" - certainly more visible than many of the VAM diagnostics I have read about or seen.

In point of fact, "UNITED STATES O" and "In God We trust" are substantially doubled. The device, the stars, and the other lettering on the reverse is not.

The obverse exhibits no doubling.

messydesk

Looks like a small die crack on the first 8, and not repunching. Date also looks like it's in near position. Those alone aren't enough to attribute the coin. Would need to know if there's doubling (even very slight) on the ear, date, stars, or reverse letters. 1888 is typically struck from worn dies, so this may be tricky.

BlindedByEgo

<< <i>Looks like a small die crack on the first 8, and not repunching. Date also looks like it's in near position. Those alone aren't enough to attribute the coin. Would need to know if there's doubling (even very slight) on the ear, date, stars, or reverse letters. 1888 is typically struck from worn dies, so this may be tricky. >>



See above - substantial doubling on those parts of the reverse described.

MORGANHUNTER2

big or small- take a look at the reverse eagles right(your left) between the wreath and the wing- that is one heavy die clash of the obverse- very stong appearance.

As for doubling on the reverse- either its a die crack along the north of the letters or it is doubling.

This could be a discovery coin!- now I gotta go look at some morgans- and I jst spent 4 hours this after noon doing that with a few from here.

BlindedByEgo

<< <i>big or small- take a look at the reverse eagles right(your left) between the wreath and the wing- that is one heavy die clash of the obverse- very stong appearance.

As for doubling on the reverse- either its a die crack along the north of the letters or it is doubling.

This could be a discovery coin!- now I gotta go look at some morgans- and I jst spent 4 hours this after noon doing that with a few from here. >>



Yes, multiple locations on the reverse exhibit the die clash.

There is in fact a pronounce die crack north of the lettering, not confused with the doubling in the letters, since even the bottom serifs of the noted letters show doubling.

VAMguy?

VamGuy

I'm also unable to attribute the coin from the photos.

Sorry eyoung249, I can say that it's definitely not a VAM 25. The date is set in a different position and the coin pictured is clearly not a proof issue as evidenced by the heavy die errosion.

John wrote...

<< <i>Looks like a small die crack on the first 8, and not repunching. Date also looks like it's in near position. Those alone aren't enough to attribute the coin. >>

I woud describe it as a die chip but otherwise I agree completely.

Sorry, I wish I could be more helpful.