201 year old half dollar, new to me, care to opine the grade and var?

Baley

in today's mail:



what do you think? detail grade? andjustment marks or scratches? net grade? like the surfaces? Overton variety?

PS: sorry moderns guys, they didn't have one in PF70

mozeppa

can you send it to me ...for a closer look?


promise ...i'll send it back!

TomB

It looks like a lovely coin but that image makes it mighty tough to attribute. I will go with an O.112, is that right?

relayer

I'm going to give it a and say it grades VF-25 (with adjustment marks)

Cladiator

Wow Baley, very nice.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I do believe that is an O.112. I'd bet my mothers wheelchair that your coin has Obverse die 7. I think I can just barely make out the die crack from S1 down through the clouds and back up through S2. If the crack is indeed there then it is for sure O.112 with Reverse die H. The beak to star ratio matches for Rev. die H as well.

I'd grade her at a VF20 Obverse with a F15 Reverse. The marks on the reverse do look like they could be weight adjustment marks and if they are...that's very cool.

PreTurb

25

DeputyPud

I agree with ya'll. Obverse 7 for sure, and reverse H (arrowhead all the way to the end of the N is what I look at first on this variety). O-112
Also agree that some adjustment marks are present.

mirabela

Variety: no clue
Grade: just a guess, I'm useless with these, but -- VF20
Adjustment marks: yes. Moderately annoying, but come with the territory
Surfaces & overall look: A

Very nice.

mozin

PCGS VF20, and I don't like the adjustment marks.

coinkat

VF20 and the OVERTON will not be attempted... I don't have the book handy...

TAClough

Would someone explain what weight adjustment marks are?

Thanks,
Tim

CoinAddict

Very nice.

DeputyPud

Would someone explain what weight adjustment marks are?

TA, Weight adjustment marks were done to planchets to get the weight down to the mint standard. This was done before striking.
After the blanks were made from the strip of silver (or gold), they were weighed. Any that were under the standard were melted. Any that were overweight were adjusted with a file.

bgrice

Very nice 1805 half. I guess sooner or later I'm gonna make it back that far to own a half 200+ years old. Dang if these older coins aren't addicting.

librtyhead

when speaking of the "reverse die H" that would be a state of die state progresion correct? or die #8 late die state

DeputyPud

Overton assigned obverse dies by number, and reverse dies by letter. Many obverse dies were used with more than one reverse die, and vice-versa. (did I spell that right?) That's where the 'die marriage' phrase comes into play.
The dies were commonly used until they literally shattered into pieces. Some of those dies have been assigned a die state such as Reverse G-s2.

JRocco

I like that coin a lot Baley. I would also throw a 20 at her based on what I can see. The adjustment marks are ...well... adjustment marks- no problem there. This piece should fit in great with your other draped busts.

Now if only it was a MS 70 ubber goober mega cam......

stman

Dude!

Baley

Thanks guys, you're right on, an O.112 certified as VF20 by NGC.

the die crack described by Cladiator is indeed very apparent; I'll show better pics when I get a chance.

As for the adjustment marks, I have avoided coins with them until now, but decided to get one with them this time.

Cladiator

Another great coin to a great collection Baley. I kind of like the little photo you posted, makes the attribution a challenge haha. Personally I think the adjustment marks are pretty neat. They add character and history to the coin and that's what Federal coinage is all about.

Baley

glad the first quick picture made it a little more challenging, here are some better ones







but I still hate the plastic, once it's cracked out there'll be a raw roll of them

Nysoto

Baley,

Another nice draped bust half dollar for your collection! Adjustment marks are much less common on 1805's, they add interest to this coin. The reverse die used on 1805 O.112 was also used previously in 1803 on a Large 3 and the Small 3 variety. The new Overton 4th edition has O.112a listed (I have heard, but not seen the new book), where the reverse crack breaks off into a big cud. The Reiver 112a is the best of 5-6 known.

JRocco

<< <i>Baley,

Another nice draped bust half dollar for your collection! Adjustment marks are much less common on 1805's, they add interest to this coin. The reverse die used on 1805 O.112 was also used previously in 1803 on a Large 3 and the Small 3 variety. The new Overton 4th edition has O.112a listed (I have heard, but not seen the new book), where the reverse crack breaks off into a big cud. The Reiver 112a is the best of 5-6 known. >>



The Fourth edition unfortunately does not include the 1805 O-112a.
edited for spelling

slumlord98

Nice coin, Baley! I like the adjustment marks. For comparison purposes, this is an image of a newly discovered 112a with the reverse cud. Notice how heavy the crack thru S is now. Sadly, it has none of the charm of Baley's coin. It appears to have fallen from the very top branch of the ugly tree, and nicked 'em all on the way down.

Cladiator

Here's a new mural Baley. I changed it up a bit, hope ya like it