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How does the Govt get metals from to make Eagles (gold,silver)?


I have always wondered this... and now that gold and silver is so high I wanted to see if anyone can answer my questions.

Does the government just buy silver from the best bidder? or is there a particular company that the government only buys from?

Or does the govt have its own mines?

sorry if the questions seem silly. I have always just wondered and thought I would ask.

Michelle

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  • Im very interested also, Anyone ? ? ?
  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, ....in the olden days....it just took circulated coins-copper, silver, gold....melted them and reminted them.

    When the COMSTOCK Lode was discovered and mined in the late 1800's....the mine owners made a big push to sell the silver to the GOVT.

    If memory serves me, in 1919, The Pittman Act melted down about 50 million ounces of silver and in 1921 they started recoining Morgans and then started the Peace series to use it up. They had so much silver to get rid of and the best way to do it was in silver dollars and that is why the Walkers had such low mintages in the early 20's.

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  • JDelageJDelage Posts: 724 ✭✭
    I've wondered that too. I especially wonder if some *coins* get melted. There's a *ton* of gold that get recycled - old jewelry, etc. I think the gvt buys gold from large smelters. of course, the gvt also has a large stock of gold of its own.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The mint said a couple years back that they'd be buying silver on the open market. No doubt they
    have begun this process but I've heard of no actual sales.
    Tempus fugit.
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,131 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe that the Government had huge stockpiles of silver and a few years back there was hype that the Government would run out and have to purchase it on the open market resulting in higher prices; which might be the reason they are high now.
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  • psxchellypsxchelly Posts: 568 ✭✭

    I was thinking that they might melt coins. I would be surprised if they didnt try the open market. Would the govt really have some storage area for tons and tons of metals?

    Michelle
  • DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535
    Michelle,

    Well, besides Fort Knox. . .


    But seriously...

    The US Government used to maintain a strategic stockpile of silver (just as they do of petroleum and other strategic materials), but when the Silver Eagle enabling legislation was passed, the Mint was directed to use the stockpile for making the Silver Eagles, as the Government determined that there were sufficient supplies of silver available on the open market and it didn't need to maintain a silver stockpile anymore. A couple of years ago (I think) it was reported in Coin World that the Mint was about to exhaust the stockpile and would thereafter purchase silver on the open market for use in the Silver Eagle program.

    By the way, the Mint's program of open market purchases is why they only sell Unc. Silver Eagles to the Authorized Purchasers: It wants to get the silver in, turn it into coins and sell the coins with minimal exposure to fluctuations in the market price of silver. That's also why they sell Silver Eagles to Authorized Purchasers at the Spot Price plus a premium.

    If you read the enabling legislation for the recent commemorative coin programs, I believe that you'll see that sometimes Congress will direct the Mint to purchase "newly mined domestic" Silver and Gold for use in minting the coins authorized by that legislation.

    Also, the Mint used to melt silver coins in order to recycle their silver content, but they really haven't done that since silver coins disappeared from circulation in the late 1960s.

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  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Wouldn't surprise me if they didn't just quietly buy contracts and simply take delivery of the commodity at maturity. How would anyone really know if they did it that way? It's not like the government files a tax return or something.
  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536
    The government doesn't buy the gold and silver on the open market themselves. They simply contract with private firms to supply the blanks and leaves it up to them to acquire the metal. And robertpr probably has it right, the firms buy commodities futures contacts and then take delivery.
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I took a Floor Tour of the West Point Mint in Dec. 2004, we got to
    go into the "Gold Room", where they store the gold bars used to make
    American Gold Eagles.

    Most of the Bars were from Englehard in Canada...purchased directly from
    them, I was told.......

    Fred
    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • TheRavenTheRaven Posts: 4,143 ✭✭✭✭
    The US only used United States mined metals for there coins correct?

    I would think they keep it fairly quiet that they are out there purchasing bullion, no need to have a rise in prices just because of that.....
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  • PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭✭
    If you're the country's largest purchaser of silver bullion, I don't think they've ever been able to keep their purchases quiet. Wouldn't be surprised if their silver contracts were for 10 years or more with the refiners. The recent rise has little impact on the Mint except that their future purchases of $10 silver will only cost $5.image Funny thing about long term contracts; sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

    At the Franklin Mint, if they had a 10 year medallion or ingot program, that bought all of the silver needed on day 1 and asked for monthly shipments for the next 10 years. The marketing people were pretty accurate with regard to subscriber attrition, and the silver accounting department kept track of all of the purchases for all of the programs. If some silver medallions were better sellers than others, the silver accounting department would adjust the reserves between programs accordingly.

    Joe
    The Philadelphia Mint: making coins since 1792. We make money by making money. Now in our 225th year thanks to no competition. image
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    As has been stated, the Mint used to have a large supply of gold and silver on-hand. They ran out of silver a few years ago and they are now buying it on the open market, but they always sell the silver eagles at a small profit (where's Deepcoin he works for the mint). However, I assume they are still using stockpiled gold for the gold eagles.
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  • The Government have their Gold And Silver delivered to them by the Little green people that guard the pot of gold, thats a silly question everybody should know that, just like my kids think Daddy can go out back and get money off of his money tree. Need anymore help with questions PM ok thanks G
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