Is Bonds a Hall of Famer?
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With the recent revelations he's been mixing performance enhancing drugs for several years, transforming himself into a home run hitter, does that take away his likelihood of making the hall?
If you had a vote, what would you say?
If you had a vote, what would you say?
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Unfortunately, it will be hard for a lot of writers to overlook his numbers. He will make the Hall, just as McGwire, Sosa and Palmeiro will.
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<< <i>Bonds will probably win the comeback player of the year award and everybody will forget that he is a cheater just like everyone did with Giambi. >>
Big difference between Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero & Giambi is that Giambi is the only one who apologized and admitted any sort of wrong doing......granted, he still cheated, and thats not an excuse, but many people, myself included are willing to forgive somewhat. It is much like the situation with Pete Rose.....everyone at this point seems to be of the opinion that if Rose had just come out and admitted from day one he bet then he would have been given some sort of reprieve. It is Bonds and the other clowns that will never get any sort of sympathy as long as they continue to deny any wrong doing.
-- Yogi Berra
<< <i>With the recent revelations he's been mixing performance enhancing drugs for several years, transforming himself into a home run hitter, does that take away his likelihood of making the hall?
If you had a vote, what would you say? >>
Well of course he's going to be in the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, but his playing time frame will be known as the "steroid era" in MLB...IE: tainted.
Fact: Bonds was already amongst the BASEBALL LEGENDS prior to '98. Now he is a marked man, and has turned off many writers who simply will never, ever vote for him, regardless of what happens in these latest accusations. He is "guilty" of something that MLB never really had a position on until last season.
I disagree. I don't think there is any possible way to sugar coat this latest turn in the Bonds saga. MLB needs to let it play itself out, and step in when it needs/has to with a swift, full and appropiate repurcussion for Mr. Potato Head.
<< <i>Bonds will probably win the comeback player of the year award and everybody will forget that he is a cheater just like everyone did with Giambi. >>
Giambi will never threaten a sacred record in the sport like Bonds is.
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<< <i>Actually Giambi did not apologize directly for using. Giambi just stated that he was sorry and you had to read between the lines. I think Bonds would probably get a free pass if he played for the Yankees. Remember Sheffield and Giambi both used. >>
IMO the biggest reason Bonds is being pounded like this is because he is threatening the most revered record in the game. Actually, I would think this is quite obvious.
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<< <i>IMO the biggest reason Bonds is being pounded like this is because he is threatening the most revered record in the game. Actually, I would think this is quite obvious. >>
That and the fact that he is being the biggest arrogant jerk about it.
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<< <i>Actually Giambi did not apologize directly for using. Giambi just stated that he was sorry and you had to read between the lines. I think Bonds would probably get a free pass if he played for the Yankees. Remember Sheffield and Giambi both used. >>
Nobody said Giambi apologized for directly using. He apologized indirectly which is more than anyone else has done......and jad22.....or should i say grinch...are you and axhole in bed together ? If not I think you too should hook up, I think you, him and your collective hatred for anything NY would make a perfect love affair. Between the two of you it is sickening to see 2 whining little babies cry about everything New York.
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<< <i>With the recent revelations he's been mixing performance enhancing drugs for several years, transforming himself into a home run hitter, does that take away his likelihood of making the hall?
If you had a vote, what would you say? >>
I agree with you there is really no question he cheated. But unless it is 100% undisputable proven to the average fan, then yes he will get in.
Steve
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Nobody said Giambi apologized for directly using. He apologized indirectly which is more than anyone else has done. >>
Does anyone for a SECOND think he would have apologized (indirectly) if his testimony in the BALCO case hadn't been leaked? WAKE UP! He's a cheat just like Bonds, and to admire him for 'apologizing' just shows how pathetic NY fans are.
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Nobody said Giambi apologized for directly using. He apologized indirectly which is more than anyone else has done. >>
Does anyone for a SECOND think he would have apologized (indirectly) if his testimony in the BALCO case hadn't been leaked? WAKE UP! He's a cheat just like Bonds, and to admire him for 'apologizing' just shows how pathetic NY fans are. >>
Did McGwire admit anything in his testimony ? Did Palmiero ? Did Bonds ?
Axhole.....you are pathetic.....your thoughts mean about as much as Bonds records......I did not say I admire him....I said myself and others are more willing to forgive him. You rant and rave with your meaningless anti Ny banter and cant even remember what you say from one post to the next....just as you claimed you never blamed officiating for any team losing a game, yet you clearly blamed officiating for the Steelers winning the super bowl....you are a complete JACA$$ who will continue to blabber on and get laughed at by me and everyone else on here for being the complete fool you are.
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Does anyone for a SECOND think he would have apologized (indirectly) if his testimony in the BALCO case hadn't been leaked? WAKE UP! He's a cheat just like Bonds, and to admire him for 'apologizing' just shows how pathetic NY fans are. >>
NY fans are no more pathetic than fans anywhere else jacka$$. Every area has its idiots. For instance, The Mariners have YOU.
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<< <i>With the recent revelations he's been mixing performance enhancing drugs for several years, transforming himself into a home run hitter, does that take away his likelihood of making the hall?
If you had a vote, what would you say? >>
Judging by the current count, the results are one sided. However, why can't you Bond hatin' ba$tards stop bidding on his PSA 10 RC so I can pick one up cheap?
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Did McGwire admit anything in his testimony ? Did Palmiero ? Did Bonds ?
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And where is my defense of these guys? Your words saying Giambi apologizing (and it supposed to mean something) is laughable. He didn't apologize for anything (saying 'I am sorry...though I can't say what I am apologizing for') and he only said so AFTER his grand jury testimony was leaked! Why are you defending this guy?
<< <i>Axhole.....you are pathetic.....your thoughts mean about as much as Bonds records......I did not say I admire him....I said myself and others are more willing to forgive him. You rant and rave with your meaningless anti Ny banter and cant even remember what you say from one post to the next.... >>
If my thoughts are so meaningless (as you would try to have us believe), then why are you even responding? Or does my speaking out on the hypocrisy of yankee 'fans' strike a chord and you feel compelled to reply?
Giambi is a bum. An out and out bum. He cheated, he lied about it, he took $100 million from the yankees, then when his testimony was leaked, then and only then, did he say he was sorry. He didn't say he was sorry until AFTER. But yet you want to defend this guy?
And you wonder why people laugh at yankee fans, and criticize the team?
You are willing to forgive Giambi, I wonder if you are willing to do the same for Bonds?
In any event, I have to say he does belong in the HOF unless they come up with a formal stipulation that he can't get in. Certainly, his "pre-juice" days would qualify him. I also don't believe in making him wait either. If he deserves in, he should go in on the first ballot. I don't believe in this BS of intentionally leaving someone out just to prove a point and that applies to a-holes like him.
I also despise the asterisk idea as well. A record is a record and it should stand as such (even if we all know it's tainted as hell now).
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And you wonder why people laugh at yankee fans, and criticize the team?
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Ummmm, that would be YOU and your nutty followers at your compound.
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I really hope the guy doesn't pass Ruth or Aaron and just retires. If he still is on steroids, he's a complete idiot for still playing and I hope he gets caught. And if he's not, no chance he'll be able to hit home runs with the same frequency he has in the past... it's physically impossible to not lose bat speed at his age, it has happened to everyone who has ever played the game (who has not had chemical help).
<< <i>Big difference between Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero & Giambi is that Giambi is the only one who apologized and admitted any sort of wrong doing >>
I would like to see where Giambi actually "apologized" and admitted anything. It is widely held that Giambi never admitted to squat, and rather, acted like a coward and a phony when he had the opportunity to come clean. But, I could be wrong...
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And you wonder why people laugh at yankee fans, and criticize the team?
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Ummmm, that would be YOU and your nutty followers at your compound. >>
Just because you can't see through the smoke induced haze that being a yankee fan is about, there are plenty of people out there who laugh at the 'fans' arrogance that the yankees somehow deserve to win every year, then piss and moan when they can't buy another championship.
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Just because you can't see through the smoke induced haze that being a yankee fan is about, there are plenty of people out there who laugh at the 'fans' arrogance that the yankees somehow deserve to win every year, then piss and moan when they can't buy another championship. >>
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is he ambassador to baseball, i don't think so
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Just because you can't see through the smoke induced haze that being a yankee fan is about, there are plenty of people out there who laugh at the 'fans' arrogance that the yankees somehow deserve to win every year, then piss and moan when they can't buy another championship. >>
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<< <i>Bonds will get in ... but not on the first, secon, or third ballot. It could be a long time actually.
Fact: Bonds was already amongst the BASEBALL LEGENDS prior to '98. Now he is a marked man, and has turned off many writers who simply will never, ever vote for him, regardless of what happens in these latest accusations. He is "guilty" of something that MLB never really had a position on until last season. >>
Agree completely.
Bonds will break the Babe's record, but retire before surpassing Aaron.
Is he a Hall of Famer? In my book no.
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Bonds will break the Babe's record, but retire before surpassing Aaron.
Is he a Hall of Famer? In my book no. >>
That's what I am thinking is the most likely scenario. He will hit 30 or so homers this season and then claim his knees can't take it anymore.
He won't mind passing up the dead white guy, but he will not wan't to piss off Hank Aaron.
He will get in the HOF I am sure, but I will not agree with it.
No Pete Rose in the HOF but Barry Bonds? That is just plain stupid.
Pete's stats are all legit. Barry's? Who knows? How will we ever know what his career stats would have been? 73 in 2001 without steroids? NO WAY.
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<< <i>Big difference between Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmiero & Giambi is that Giambi is the only one who apologized and admitted any sort of wrong doing >>
I would like to see where Giambi actually "apologized" and admitted anything. It is widely held that Giambi never admitted to squat, and rather, acted like a coward and a phony when he had the opportunity to come clean. But, I could be wrong... >>
Jason Giambi came out on national TV and said "I made a mistake and I am sorry to my team and the fans." - That is much MORE than Bonds will ever say.