Who believes this ANR lot description?
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Heres the coin, lot 657 from next week's sale:
And heres the description:
1892 MS-65,
"artificial toning." Type II, eagle's dexter wing covers nearly all of E in UNITED. A vivid array of gold, olive, electric blue, and rose covers each frosty side of this impressive gem, though NGC has questioned the authenticity of the toning. If artificially toned, this lovely gem was "colored" long ago, certainly well before the present generation of "coin doctors" began plying their colorful trade. Regardless, underneath it all is a gem-quality Barber quarter from the first year of the design type.
From the New York Connoisseur's Collection.
I viewed all of the lots yesterday and several of the slabbed coins looked more AT than this one - so do you believe this is really AT?
And heres the description:
1892 MS-65,
"artificial toning." Type II, eagle's dexter wing covers nearly all of E in UNITED. A vivid array of gold, olive, electric blue, and rose covers each frosty side of this impressive gem, though NGC has questioned the authenticity of the toning. If artificially toned, this lovely gem was "colored" long ago, certainly well before the present generation of "coin doctors" began plying their colorful trade. Regardless, underneath it all is a gem-quality Barber quarter from the first year of the design type.
From the New York Connoisseur's Collection.
I viewed all of the lots yesterday and several of the slabbed coins looked more AT than this one - so do you believe this is really AT?
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I think the combination of colors really determines this one. That blue is usualy accompanied by some hint of rose or deeper pink. Also, the color progression I've seen on most toned Barber halves should be turquoise -> Blue -> Magenta -> Burnt Orange. The presence of only that powder blue with no other colors of that progression would indicate to me that it could be AT. The powder blue with the sick yellow don't look right together.
<< <i>I viewed all of the lots yesterday and several of the slabbed coins looked more AT than this one - so do you believe this is really AT?
I think the combination of colors really determines this one. That blue is usualy accompanied by some hint of rose or deeper pink. Also, the color progression I've seen on most toned Barber halves should be turquoise -> Blue -> Magenta -> Burnt Orange. The presence of only that powder blue with no other colors of that progression would indicate to me that it could be AT. The powder blue with the sick yellow don't look right together. >>
You could be right, but that implies that someone subtlely AT'd this coin in the 1960s or 70s at a time when there would have been just about zippo financial incentive to do it.
think if you like the coin and the price?
I read in Ron Guth's recent CW column that the toning craze has come and gone before. Perhaps this coin was the victim of a previous cycle.
<< <i>Looks AT to me, and I don't agree that "...If artificially toned, this lovely gem was "colored" long ago..." >>
Why don't you agree with that? This coin has been held in the same collection with a whole slew of other coins for about 30 years or more.
The New York Connoisseur's Collection was built almost exclusively via auction between 1965 and the early 1980s. Since then, the whole collection has been kept together, off-the-market, and untouched. No one has seen these coins since Bill Clinton was just some southern governor.
I did not write that particular description, but I agree with its sentiment.
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have to see it in hand, but I think it's a pretty coin, better looking than the dark mottled look, imo
not crazy about it as a 65, but AT or not I like it a lot as a 64, too bad about the hit on the cheek or it'd be a gem
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If ANR (or, if it had been consigned there, Stack's) had simply presented the coin raw and described it as a choice or gem unc. I think many people would have thought it NT and accepted it without question.
But ANR didn't do that. They described it the way the service did.
I personally expect that it will be holdered one day by PCGS or NGC.
<< <i>I personally expect that it will be holdered one day by PCGS or NGC. >>
Perhaps, after it is dipped (aka "conserved") by NCS.
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<< <i>I personally expect that it will be holdered one day by PCGS or NGC. >>
Perhaps, after it is dipped (aka "conserved") by NCS. >>
I don't think thats necessary.
I won't argue with those who believe that the lack of rose or deeper pink is telling, but in the coin it looks as natural to me as plenty of other things I've seen.