Esteemed Collections.. Does the name add value?

Trinketts

I was wondering everyone's opinion on this matter.

Does a name on a slab add a premium to a coin... For example the Jules Reiver Collection?

morgannut2

Depends on the coin. At Palm Beach the PCGS 1890CC Morgan in MS65 of Elaisberg no saled at $9,000 bid: the 1890CC of Wayne Miller in MS65Pl sold for I think around $18000!

saintguru

I hope Jay Brahin does.

RYK

Please fix your typo. I kept getting stuck on "ass".

As someone who enjoys numismatic history and pedigrees, I do not believe that the pedigree itself adds monetary value, but it sures makes the coin more desirable (and therefore liquid) to folks like myself. Of course, it also depends on the pedigree. Some add no cache, and some have even negative connotation.

RegistryCoin

If it is known that the collection was thoughtfully put together with the assistance of a top notch, knowledgable dealer, than the name does add value, and will be highly sought after by the saavy collector, and dealers.

saintguru

thanks Rob. I'll be leaving now.

LucyBop

Honey, if you ever come across a slab that sez, 'the HepKitty collection'...



Bid strong!!!!!!

Trinketts

<< <i>Please fix your typo. I kept getting stuck on "ass".

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ROFL

I almost fell outta my chair....

Trinketts

<< <i>Honey, if you ever come across a slab that sez, 'the HepKitty collection'...



Bid strong!!!!!!



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I would... It would be the coolest slab around...

mozin

It depends on the name on the collection. I doubt the Reiver coins will bring a premium in ten years. Those collections known to be from a collection where eye-appeal was a factor certainly will always bring a premium.

RYK

thanks Rob. I'll be leaving now.

Hey, JB, that was not directed toward you. I did not even know you had posted when I typed my post.

The "JB" pedigree will always be known for the collector who had a passion for Saints and demanded the highest in quality and eye apeal for the grade.

RYK

Does a name on a slab ass a premium to a coin... For example the Jules Reiver Collection?

Does a name on a slab as a premium to a coin... For example the Jules Reiver Collection?



Let me help...

Does a name on a slab add a premium to a coin... For example the Jules Reiver Collection?

morganbarber

Eliasberg is the only pedigree I would pay a premium for. I don't, however, really keep up with other people's collections.

saintguru

don't you think it's about time Deadhead??



Rob has a wonderful referral for you.

Trinketts

<< <i>Does a name on a slab ass a premium to a coin... For example the Jules Reiver Collection?

Does a name on a slab as a premium to a coin... For example the Jules Reiver Collection?



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*Hires Rob as my post Editor

Coxe

Yes, provenance does add value in cases of important collections. Just as PCGS warrants higher prices in a grade, the very fact that a particularly discriminating collector of coins chose a certain piece for inclusion in his/her set warrants higher prices for that issue. It isn't as much foolish snobbery as I felt in the past myself. Those collectors sought great examples of coins with excellent eye appeal or other attributes, things generally more important than technical grade to collectors (except registry set nutcases). However, not all coins in an important collection deserve this. There were plenty of them among the Eliasberg minors that were far from exceptional IMHO. Today's set attributions are likely to get out of hand, particularly due to the prestige of registry sets. Longer term, most of them will probably be just trivia worthy of no premium. Some truly great and selective collections are represented in the registries, but many registry sets are assembled quickly with money not with an eye for quality.

291fifth

To me, no, but to many others, apparently yes.

lava

<< <i>Yes, provenance does add value in cases of important collections. Just as PCGS warrants higher prices in a grade, the very fact that a particularly discriminating collector of coins chose a certain piece for inclusion in his/her set warrants higher prices for that issue. It isn't as much foolish snobbery as I felt in the past myself. Those collectors sought great examples of coins with excellent eye appeal or other attributes, things generally more important than technical grade to collectors (except registry set nutcases). However, not all coins in an important collection deserve this. There were plenty of them among the Eliasberg minors that were far from exceptional IMHO. Today's set attributions are likely to get out of hand, particularly due to the prestige of registry sets. Longer term, most of them will probably be just trivia worthy of no premium. Some truly great and selective collections are represented in the registries, but many registry sets are assembled quickly with money not with an eye for quality. >>



I agree.

I recently asked David Hall whether it made sense to designate some of the older sets with an asterisk to help identify collections in which the collector may have had the benefit of years to gather the better examples, but Mr. Hall had no comment. When a collection goes to auction, you will notice a pattern. If it's assembled quickly, it means the collector bought whatever was on the market at the time. A truly great collection for the non-modern stuff is going to take time to build, because a lot of the finer examples are locked away in collections. If someone does have the time to assemble a collection of years, the pedigree will mean something.

Eliasberg goes at the top of my list, but they rarely come up for sale. On the other hand, I place no greater value on a Shapiro coin. Jack Lee coins are a case by case basis.

morganbarber

In the case that I had never heard of a collection, I would rather have a normal PCGS slab rather than one that says "Roger Kaputnik Collection" on it. I would pay less for a dumb pedigree.

ColonialCoinUnion

Provenance seems to add value in every other collectibles area, why would it not matter in this one?

saintguru

I'm having Roger Kaputnik removed from all of my slabs.

Cladiator

I think the most accurate answer to the question goes like this...

A pedigree will increase the value of a coin to some collectors and it won't to other collectors. Based on the actual coin, the actual person it's pedigreed too and the interests of the perspective buyer. I think deciding if a pedigree demands a premium is a very individual thing.