Home Metal Detecting

Red Clay soil of Alabama.

Has anyone detected in the Red Clay Soil? Which detector works best for this type of soil...Thank You.

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  • I have in Georgia....I use a Garrett, but almost any of the machines will work....The sensitivity may have to be adjusted down, depending on your current settings, because of the mineralization in the soil..
  • millennium, wow you have found some nice stuff...I hope I am that lucky when I go hunting...what is the difference in the no movment mode and the movement mode...why does it make a difference...Thank You...wow those coins are nice!
  • The movement mode is used primarily in the descrimination ....as you sweep the coil back and forth, the signal is descriminated...in the no movemment mode..I use this a lot...the coil can be moved very, very slowly, and the deeper signals can be heard...aslo in pinpointing, the target is very easy to find, by just "X" ing the target....try it in the yard and you will see...Thanks for the compliments...We (LM and I) live in a very productive area...But that is years and years of detecting and MANY a piece of trash unearthed...
  • Well I am hoping I can find something on that old farm of mine in Alabama and also down in Gulf Shores...Do you have to ask permission to detect in Public Parks and school yards...Thanks.
  • I don't know about Alabama, but here, you have to have a permit to hunt parks and public property....not a big problem though.....Be careful on national and state parks....usually that's a no-no...
  • Hey, glad to see another Alabama hunter on the forum. I have had some pretty good luck with my Bounty Hunter up here in the northern part of the state. Sounds like you have an interesting place to hunt. Old farms can yield some pretty interesting items. If you can find where the clothesline on your old farm is or used to be, then I suggest that is an excellent starting place. I found a Franklin half dollar under one once. image
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  • bamacoinshooter, glad to know someone who is from Alabama and can fill me in...I am new at all of this detecting stuff...it sounds like great fun to be had...My farm has been in the family since 1880...it is Creek territory in Talladega County 167 acres so the last tax bill says....I just scouted out where the old house use to sit...on my last trip down(I live in Illinois)lord knows where the cloths line was...Back during the Depression the house was used as firewood by hoboes and the like...they burnt it a board at a time....it is being farmed in cotten now...I do not believe anyone has ever detected it??? I have always wanted to see what was on it...on the north side of it there is a Creek....Tallassiehatchie ...which is feed from the Coosa River...DeSoto was suppose to be in the area way back...My mind can only imagine what might be there...bama, are you familiar with the area and if you are can you fill me in on what I might be looking for in that red clay! I guess the old house would have faced the road, that is if there was a road there at the time! So many unknowns and a lot of acres.
  • Here is some history of the area:

    Childersburg, Alabama is proclaimed as the Oldest Continually Occupied City in America..... Dating to 1540. The city's beginnings date back to Coosa, a village of the Coosa Indian Nation that was located in the area.

    With the beginning of exploration into the wilderness of North America approximately four hundred fifty years ago, Spanish conquistadors found a lovely fertile land abounding in lazy streams, clear and clean, stocked with numerous fish. Dense woodlands full of wildlife stretched for endless miles. An abundant wilderness awaited explorers as they began their long penetration into this unknown land.

    One such conquistador, Hernando DeSoto, Governor of Cuba and Adelantado of Florida, accompanied by an army of six hundred men, began his march across the Southeastern section of North America in June, 1539. Traveling from Espiritu Santo, known now as Tampa Bay on the west coast of Florida, northward through Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, and then into Alabama, his men began their desperate search for gold and other riches unequal to any of those found by others in this new wild land of North America.

    After having spent thirty days with the chief of the town of Chiaha, located on Burns Island in the Tennessee River where the river passes into Alabama, DeSoto and his men resumed their journey in late June 1540. DeSoto’s expedition was in what would become the State of Alabama, having discovered it "not by sea, but after dangerous and difficult marches." Following seven days of slowly marching down the bank of the Tennessee River, DeSoto entered the town of Coste on July 2, 1540. From Coste the expedition proceeded to Tali also located on the Tennessee River and then to the banks of the Coosa River.

    The middle of July saw DeSoto and his expedition reach the mighty empire of the great Coosa. On July 16, 1540, the vast army of Spaniards arrived at the town of Coca Coosa, located on the east bank of the river between the mouths of two creeks, now known as Talladega and Tallaseehatchee. The twenty-six year old Chief of the Coosas came out to receive DeSoto . . ."bourne in a litter on the shoulders of his principal men . . . surrounded by many attendants playing flutes and singing." For approximately a month, these travel weary invaders enjoyed the hospitality of the youthful chief and his tribe, even receiving an offer of a region of land to establish a Spanish colony. After offering many reasons for not accepting, DeSoto and his men left the Coosas in August of 1540. Seizing a number of slaves to be used as bearers for his many supplies as well as the chief himself to assure his safe passage through the remainder of the Coosa domain, DeSoto departed to resume his search for the wealth he so greatly desired.

    The report of the DeSoto Commission, U. S. Congress, House, Final Report of the United States DeSoto Expedition Commission, 76 Congress, 1st Session, 1939, House Executive Document Number 71 which was chaired by John R. Swanton offers telling evidence of DeSoto’s route through Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Alabama. Swanton and other members of the commission stated irrevocably that the site of Coca was noted to be the area in proximity to the present town of Childersburg, Alabama. Dr. Walter B. Jones, Secretary of the DeSoto Commission and noted Alabama geologist, has written many articles in support of the commission's conclusion.

    Albert James Pickett stated in History of Alabama and Incidentally of Georgia and Mississippi From the Earliest Period that DeSoto left in Coca Robles "a Christian Negro, too sick to travel" and Feryada, a white man, thus giving the residents of Childersburg claim to the fact that the town has been continuously occupied since 1540 or earlier — first by Indians and then by the descendents of Robles and Feryada, and later by enterprising traders who lived among the Indians before the influx of pioneer settlers.

    Tristan de Luna y Arellano sent an expedition from Mobile who followed the trail to the Coosas sometime in 1560 in search of food for a stranded Spanish force at Pensacola Bay. Leading this trek was one of the captains who had been to the vicinity earlier with DeSoto. In his report, the captain stated that he stood on a hill and could see the Indian village of Coosa and looking to the north he could see a wall of mountains going from east to west. Coosa, according to this report, was much smaller in size than the village visited by DeSoto’s expedition. Captain Juan Pardo, another Spanish explorer, is reported to have sent one of his men with Indian guides to Coosa sometime in 1566 or 1567. On the whole, however, European contact with the area that would become Talladega County came to a close for over a century. Traders mostly from the Carolinas came to the area of Childersburg in the late seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries, some bringing wares, selling to the Indians, and returning home with articles bartered in trade. Some of these early frontiersmen, however, made their homes among the Indians with whom they traded, some took Indian wives, and some even became leaders of the various tribes.

    David Taitt, a surveyor and cartographer for the British government, stated in his journal published as Travels in the American Colonies that on March 29th, 1772, he visited Tallassiehatchie about half a mile from Coosa Old Town. Having found much of the former village grown over with small oaks, there were new houses being constructed and plantations being developed where the old town of Coosa had formerly stood.

    an account compiled in book form and published as Creek Indian History written by "One of the Tribe", George Stiggins, Stiggins recounts information concerning Coosa Old Town. According to Stiggins, a half-blooded Creek Indian born in Talladega County in 1788, the Abeka Indians living in the valley of Talladega were descended from the people visited by DeSoto as he passed through Coosa-wattee or Coosa Old Town. Stiggins recounts that the particulars of the route of DeSoto were shared with him "during his boyhood from the lips of the oldest Indians." Thus from "One of the Tribe" is written documentation that the Childersburg area is the site of Coosa town which Stiggins says was located along Tallasseehatchee Creek.

    This article leads me to believe that my farm was one of those plantations and could have been the original site of Coosa Town.

    "David Taitt, a surveyor and cartographer for the British government, stated in his journal published as Travels in the American Colonies that on March 29th, 1772, he visited Tallassiehatchie about half a mile from Coosa Old Town. Having found much of the former village grown over with small oaks, there were new houses being constructed and plantations being developed where the old town of Coosa had formerly stood."


    If this is the case then I should have an archaeological dig!!!!!!



  • Wow, it sounds that you've got yourself a pretty fascinating site. Not only is it an old farm (which is a pretty good site in itself), but it also has the potential to yield artifacts dating to colonial times if your hunch is correct. I'm not familiar with your area of the state; I've actually only been through Talladega County one time. I live in Morgan County, which is in the Tennessee Valley. The fact that the site is being used for agriculture is a little bit advantageous in one way, since plowing can bring artifacts to the surface, but it also means that what might be found there could be corroded from being exposed to fertilizer. A friend of mine who farms owns a field where an old house used to stand. Whenever he's not farming the land, he lets me hunt there and I usually find a few coins that have been plowed up. Some of them are in decent shape, but others have been severely corroded. If you have a hunch of where the front yard used to be, that's where I would start. If you really have no clue as to where a building used to be, one thing you might try is to set your discrimination to pick up iron objects and other trash targets and then do a quick search until you find areas where the greatest concentration of metal is. These trashy areas indicate past activity and are likely to be the areas where coins and other interesting things were likely to be lost. As for things that you might expect to find, the possibilities are endless. You could find a lot, but you may not find anything at all. I remember once when my detecting buddy and I asked permission to hunt around a log cabin. I believe that I found 12 cents in modern change.image Sometimes my luck is a little better. I've found eight silver coins since I've been detecting: a 1951 Franklin half, 1959 Franklin half, 1916 Barber dime, 1939 Mercury dime, 1941 Mercury dime, 1946 Roosevelt dime, 1964 Roosevelt dime, and a 1964 D Roosevelt dime. All of these were found around older houses. As for parks and schools, I hunt those on occassion but I usually try to go for older sites that have more potential. My advice for hunting these areas is bring a screwdriver because using a trowel or anything else that the park maintenance people might conceive as damaging to the turf might get you kicked out. There are only two schools that I hunt. I have permission at one, and I have connections at the other but from what I've heard most public schools are ok to hunt. Just try to leave the place in better shape than what you found it. Well, I sure hope you have some good luck at that site. Hopefully someday I'll run across another good site like that, but until I'm out of school detecting is going to be on the back burner for me. image
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  • Bama, to tell you the truth I do not believe I would find many coins as the Indians did a lot of bartering...they did not use money like the white man...There may be artifacts dating back to Desoto and the Indians and also the Civil War and the War of 1812...this is the land that after the American and Indian war the Creeks were sent to settle...then they were marched to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears...This is what I have found that it is a true American Historical documented Property...My history reads on the land that my ancestors bought it from a Banker in 1880. I have the original deed from that time...I always wondered who cleared the land as it is a beautiful flat piece of property...Now I know it was cleared by the Indians...it is between Atlanta and Montgomery and I bet there were many soldiers from the Civil War who walked upon it...Over the years my father has had calls from people wanting to buy it, but he never would...as a kid he farmed some of it with his Grandfather and made a living from it...A couple of years ago I wanted to plant it in Pines and called the Agricultural department they would not help me at all...they know this property better than I did and would not help me make changes to it as it remains the way the Indians cleared it...They told me it was first class A land and there was not much cleared farm land in proportion to Forest land and that they would not help me put trees on it...They also told me that it would cost 500+ per acre to pull stumps so why would I want to plant trees...I rent the farm out (I live in Illinois) and only make enough to pay the taxes on it...I was looking for a way to make it more productive and bring in more income for the family...but I guess trees are out of the question and rightly so...and farming has been out of the family now for two generations...Desoto Caverns is in the area and minerals are abundant so who knows what lye's under that red soil! I guess you could call the land in itself a true gem.
  • Well, nonetheless, I would still definitely try detecting there. Especially in the area that you believe that a farmhouse may have stood. You may only find a few coins, but those few could definitely be keepers. The potential Civil War history is intriguing as well. What you said about the Native Americans is definitely true. They didn't often use money for trade so if they were there, you probably won't find many things that they left unless you just happen to see them. I remember once hunting around a home that had been built in the 1930s or 40s. I hunted there several times and came away with a few coins, including a 1959 Franklin half. Well, several months after I had hunted there the person that lived there discovered a long, smooth stone while digging in the garden. It looked as if it had been sanded and I'm pretty sure it was probably a Native American artifact. Until then we didn't have a clue that there had been any Native American activity there, so you just never know. image If you think about it, almost every patch of ground in this country has been cleared and farmed at one time or another; very few virgin forests remain undisturbed. I believe that it is a reasonable assumption that a discovery can be made almost anywhere, even though the chances of finding something in any random area are pretty remote. Since you have done some research, I think that the chances are fairly good that you may be able to make some nice finds, even though you have a very large search area. Even if you don't, the history of your property is a great reward and a great heritage. image
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  • Bama, I have traveled around many places in my life...but I have to say that Alabama has to be one of the most beautiful states in this nation and it is the trees rivers and mountains that make it breath taking. I tend to have the mind set that all a man needs is a good piece of land that can furnish him with all his needs...My parents grew up in the depression...my fathers grandparents owned this land and this is how they survived...My mothers family was so poor but they rented their land and worked the land as sharecroppers....one thing is they never went hungry...Though I have never lived in the state of Alabama my blood lies there...My father passed away last April...He chose to be buried here in Illinois at a National Cemetery...It was my fathers wishes to leave it to his kids and he did just that...Sometime down the road there is going to have to be a decision made as to what I am going to have to do about the farm...I Love the State of Alabama but no one is left...I am not a farmer wish I was...to old to start now...My families history lies there and I don't know what to do...I live 700 miles away...The South will rise again and a lot of industry is moving into the area, I guess time will tell me what to do....You know Jim Nabors, my dad was related to him...he comes back to Alabama once in a while but he left and really never looks back...same with Polly Holliday...her mother lived back behind my grandmother, she died about 7 or eight years ago and Polly never comes home either......I guess the story to be learned is once everyone is gone it's time to move on.


    Don't mean to be cold about it...I never really new my cousins...my dad had his cousins and sisters ...now they are all gone and there is literally no one left on either side of my family...I have my mother but she is with me...in the early Fall we are coming back down....her choice....as I try to make her as happy as I can since my fathers death...I will stop by the farm and detect a little bit, where I think the house once stood...then we will go on down to Gulf Shores for a week and see the beauty of Alabama from one end to the other...yes it is a great heritage there is no doubt!
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