A game with a very special prize....(an artist's proof of my Flanagan drawing)

coppercoins

Okay...I'm a bit tired (and lazy) but I've got something you can do with a really nice prize for the winner.

The game: Be the FIRST person to post John Flanagan's middle NAME (not initial) and win a print....oh, but this is no NORMAL print. It's one of only THREE to ever exist without his name on it. I had them made this afternoon after I finished the portrait. Q. David Bowers especially requested that I stop prior to adding the name and make a print so Whitman could use the drawing in his book sans the name. I am adding the name tomorrow, and the 250 print run will take place Monday with the name intact.

I had three prints made today. One is mine. One belongs to Whitman Publishing. One will belong to the winner of this game.

The ONLY rules are that it must be correct, and you must be able to name a reliable source from which you drew the information.

A refresher, here's a link to the drawing you'll win an exclusive proof print of.

John ???? Flanagan

tjkillian

He did not have a middle name.

Tom

ss350camaro

John Philip Flanagan


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kranky

I have to retire for the evening, but while looking, I discovered something very interesting. The biography of Flanagan in John Feigenbaum's book on Washington Quarters is about the wrong John Flanagan.

Cladiator

Cornelius

coppercoins

That may be the correct answer - and if so, there would be no specific reliable source that states so. I am going to call the national authority on the subject Monday and find out for sure...and if he did indeed NOT have a middle name, then tjkillian is our winner. I want to be certain this is the case before I letter his first and last only on the drawing.

As for now, keep searching people. I once saw his name as John T. Flanagan, but do not remember now where it was.

Hyperion

John Richard Flanagan


oops, I think I have the wrong one (This one was from an art site)

joeyuk

withdrawn

Sorry Chuck I read your first post, which was the only post to this thread at the time, and came back and
posted without re-reading the rest of the posts.

coppercoins

Please, people....

If you're gonna play, make SURE you provide a reliable source with your entry. This is research, not guessing.

Like I said before, it's entirely possible he did not have a middle name - and if that's the case, then tjkillian is our winner.

coppercoins

<< <i>John Richard Flanagan >>



WRONG "John Flanagan"

John Richard Flanagan was a Western artist (a painter)...not the medal designer and sculptor.

D

Far as I can tell he didn't have a middle name and I've just looked in a lot of places.

-Daniel

solid

The Smithsonian American Art Museum lists John Flanagan aka John F. Flanagan

Linky

Best I can come up with right now!

Ken

ziggy29

If it helps, I've seen what is almost certainly the right John Flanagan in the 1880 Census (though the enumerator spelled it "Flannigan.")

I know he was from Newark, NJ and was born in 1865. This record shows a 14-year-old John "Flannigan" from Newark who was a marble cutter. That's a likely occupation for a young sculptor...

No middle name listed, though -- but if this is the right person, maybe knowing more information about the family might help? It wasn't unusual for Census enumerators to not include middle names, so this doesn't mean he didn't have one...

[Edit to add: I've also seen John F. Flanagan listed in some places, but never the full name.]

fountainheadgold

Fredrick

coppercoins

<< <i>Fredrick >>



Source???

I need sources with entries. Without a source the entry is useless, even if it's correct.

So far I have the following:

If he didn't have a middle name, tjkillian is the winner and need not provide a source since the absence of a name would logically mean an absence of a source.

If his middle NAME was "F." then solid is the winner. I have indeed seen people have an initial only as their middle name, and F. could very well have been his middle name.

solid

Here's a page from the New-York Historical Society that also lists him as John F. Flanagan

Link

Ken

Trinketts

Learning some neat stuff about Mr Flanagan... Did you know he sculpted a clock for the Library of Congress...

Also the Washington Quarter was supposed to be a one year Commemorative but was so well recieved it was retained as regular issue.

Cool


Can't find any middle name as of yet.. Still researching

coppercoins

<< <i>If it helps, I've seen what is almost certainly the right John Flanagan in the 1880 Census (though the enumerator spelled it "Flannigan.")

I know he was from Newark, NJ and was born in 1865. This record shows a 14-year-old John "Flannigan" from Newark who was a marble cutter. That's a likely occupation for a young sculptor...

No middle name listed, though -- but if this is the right person, maybe knowing more information about the family might help? It wasn't unusual for Census enumerators to not include middle names, so this doesn't mean he didn't have one...

[Edit to add: I've also seen John F. Flanagan listed in some places, but never the full name.] >>



Interesting that he had two siblings with the last name spelled differently. I know that a number of people changed the spellings of their names in this country's history...and even the same people spelled their last name a number of different ways. I have family documents spelling my last name Daughtry, Daugherty, Daughtery and the now-correct Daughtrey. I have one doument signed by my two-greats grandfather and HIS father, and the two spell the name differently on the same document.

Bear

Sorry double post.

Bear

Thadius

Plucked from the windows
of my mind.

Trinketts

Some more interesting notes



<< <i>Important US coin designers who attended the Cooper Union: Augustus Saint-Gaudens, John Flanagan, Adolph Weinman, Victor Brenner and Antonio de Francisci >>

PonyPuller

Bernard

Source: Smithsonian Institute Archives of American Art

http://siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!210291~!0&term=

I believe this is referring to the same person. Date of birth and death appears close, and occupation is right - Sculptor/Engraver.

Hmmm.. on second thought, the birth year appears to be a bit further off than I was thinking...

OK.. with a little further research, I don't think this is the right person... right occupation, right name, but wrong works of art...

- Mark

Trinketts

John Flanagan died in 1952 in New York City

coppercoins

<< <i>Bernard

Source: Smithsonian Institute Archives of American Art

http://siris-archives.si.edu/ipac20/ipac.jsp?uri=full=3100001~!210291~!0&term=

I believe this is referring to the same person. Date of birth and death appears close, and occupation is right - Sculptor/Engraver.

- Mark >>



Wrong guy. Nice try though.

Now we know there are THREE American Artists named John and have last names similar to Flanagan.

John Flanagan, the designer of the Washington quarter, was born in 1865, not in the 1890s. Flanagan also attended Saint-Gaudens' funeral in 1907 - they had worked together for years. The drawing I did of him was what he looked like in the period the quarter was designed in 1931...in his 60s, gray hair, and glasses. The photograph from which I drew was actually taken in 1933 when he was 68.

Trinketts

It is Definately John F Flanagan

He also designed many medals as well... Here is one.. and it lists his name as John F. Flanagan

Medal he designed

and this brief bio of him on that same site

Short Bio

Trinketts

One of the best fact sites about John F. Flanagan

Good Bio