SGC's selling as well as PSA's??

TripleCrown

We've discussed the advantages of using PSA for "post war" to about 1984, and SGC for all pre-war stuff.
Lately I've seen some big names of the 60's and 70's baseball cards, graded by SGC, selling for values comparable to PSA(equal grading level for the most part)?

Though I know we are all PSA people for the most part, has SGC begun to catch up with PSA for this date range let's say?

Just curious

Boopotts

They won't sell as well sight unseen because people worry about the centering. But star players will usually sell for as much if there's a scan, because most serious buyers know that a well centered SGC 88, for instance, will cross into a PSA 8 holder a majority of the time. If the card sells for a discount you can pick it up, cross it, and make a tidy profit. As the grading industry has matured more and more collectors have realized this, which means the price for SGC slabs by necessity will inch closer to the price for PSA equivalents.

wolfbear

My advice to you :

Buy up all the SGC graded cards you can and then make a fortune when they become the # 1 grading company.

Hope you're either living in a different solar system , or you're a trust fund baby that will never ever have a need for cash ...

fiveniner

Even though I send my cards to PSA almost exclusively although I have sent a couple to GAI.I have purchased several 59 topps SGC graded at lower prices than to a comparable PSA card and have been extremely pleased on all occasion with the results.

Knuckles

For what it's worth..

96150 items found for psa in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop
5181 items found for sgc in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop

and why not..

8994 items found for gai in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop
20500 items found for bgs in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop
2274 items found for bvg in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop

aro13

This topic has been hashed, re-hashed, and hashed again. I would say that for post-war baseball rookie cards and hall of famers the prices for SGC and PSA cards should be relatively even and depend more on the card than the holder. For post-war basketball and hockey there is still a price gap between PSA and the other companies.

SDavid

SGC 92's from key cards usually sell for a premium. That's been true for a long time now, as some collectors will gamble with half grades hoping they'll get a bump. I think the 9 or better level is where you really see the difference in price.

RonBurgundy

The price gap between PSA and all other companies still exist and will continue to do so for some time. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about SGC, GAI, or BVG. So the answer to the question is generally, no. Some cards graded by others will get close (i.e. people hoping SGC 86's and 92's will bump up), but the overwhelming majority of the time - I'm talking 90% of the time - PSA cards sell for more, period. By way of example, I tracked these 2 Ebay auctions last week that ended within 2 days of each other:

1957 Topps Mike Garcia #300 PSA 8: Ending price - $898.00

1957 Topps Mike Garcia #300 SGC 88: Ending price - $405.00.

Enough said.



Stay classy,



Ron

ndleo

Even though I do not have any BVG cards, I think they will eventually catch up in value. I go to a lot of shows and I'm starting to see some old timers finally getting on the grading bandwagon. They are using SGC and BVG because they don't want to pay the club fee. A guy in Houston that I've been buying raw vintage football from is moving his massive 1950-1975 inventory to SGC and BVG, he knows about PSA but he doesn't understand why he has to pay $100 to send cards to PSA.

I know it maybe shortsighted on their part, but PSA's main advantage is the sheer numbers of cards they have out there. Some people like me want their collection under one grader. I think BVG will catch up first because of the Beckett Magazine support.

acowa

It's all about the registry and/or ability to cross over to PSA for the registry. Especially with low pop cards. Take a look at the 57 Topps registry and there's a ton of people actively adding to it.

<<The price gap between PSA and all other companies still exist and will continue to do so for some time. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about SGC, GAI, or BVG. So the answer to the question is generally, no. Some cards graded by others will get close (i.e. people hoping SGC 86's and 92's will bump up), but the overwhelming majority of the time - I'm talking 90% of the time - PSA cards sell for more, period. By way of example, I tracked these 2 Ebay auctions last week that ended within 2 days of each other:

1957 Topps Mike Garcia #300 PSA 8: Ending price - $898.00

1957 Topps Mike Garcia #300 SGC 88: Ending price - $405.00.

Enough said.>>

Stone193

<< <i>The price gap between PSA and all other companies still exist and will continue to do so for some time. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about SGC, GAI, or BVG. So the answer to the question is generally, no. Some cards graded by others will get close (i.e. people hoping SGC 86's and 92's will bump up), but the overwhelming majority of the time - I'm talking 90% of the time - PSA cards sell for more, period. By way of example, I tracked these 2 Ebay auctions last week that ended within 2 days of each other:

1957 Topps Mike Garcia #300 PSA 8: Ending price - $898.00

1957 Topps Mike Garcia #300 SGC 88: Ending price - $405.00.

Enough said.



Stay classy,



Ron >>


Yes and no Ron

Just for the sake of discussion. One example is not enough to make your case.

Do you have a link? Were the two cards similar? Centering?
Heck, two PSA 8s side by side in an auction can possibly bring this kind of result - who was bidding, the centering, quality of the card, as such, etc.

I'm not disagreeing with who sells better, just saying all the dots have to be connected to make a statistical point.

mike

RonBurgundy

The last few posts are good counterpoints and I was trying to generate further discussion with my rather definitive post. Some thoughts:


1) I would put money down in Vegas that BVG will never catch up to PSA or any of the others for that matter. Reasons why: a) highly inconsistent grading at the vintage level; b) vintage grading is but a small section of their operation; they will never commit the resources in my opinion to go after PSA full time.........in fact, their pricing guides are losing steam to SMR with every passing month. I know many who hardly ever look at their price guides for vintage anymore. c) the rather directionless nature of their company.


2) The two Garcia cards were pretty similar. If I still have scans on my watch list I will post them. The PSA 8 if I recall looked slightly better, but not enough to justify a $400 price difference.

3) If it is all about the registry - and it may be - then wow, people must be willing to pay a serious premium to boost their ego. I know I am in the minority on this, but it has never appealed to me to try and do a registry set. Why would I care if I have the #10 ranked set of 1971 Topps? I admit, it's a fun idea and props to those who do it (and for PSA for creating it - genius), but paying premiums on cards just to leapfrog someone on the registry set list is crazy. Nonetheless, I believe that the registry is partly why higher prices are realized for PSA graded material.



Stay classy,


Ron

Boopotts

1985 Topps McGwire SGC 96-- $57.00
1985 Topps McGwire PSA 9-- $59.52

1957 Topps Willie Mays PSA 6- $113.15
1957 Topps Willie Mays SGC 80- $189.50

1953 Topps Mantle PSA 3- $734
1953 Topps Mantle SGC 40- $699

Like I said, it's pretty close on the star cards. But this isn't a point I'm going to sit here and argue about-- if you don't believe me take the time to track auctions. Otherwise we'll just close the issue now.

Stone193

<< <i>Nonetheless, I believe that the registry is partly why higher prices are realized for PSA graded material. >>


I think you got it Ron.

This could be discussed with more experience on the registry forum.

I agree, the registry was an ingenius marketing strategy.

Some, like myself, have marvelled over the prices for low pops.

But you alluded to a key and fundamental aspect of human nature: competition.

In many cases that may be the driving force for individuals to climb the registry food chain?

Works for me.

If I had the competitive drive and the funds - let the blood sport begin!!!

mike

SDavid

<< 1985 Topps McGwire SGC 96-- $57.00
1985 Topps McGwire PSA 9-- $59.52

1957 Topps Willie Mays PSA 6- $113.15
1957 Topps Willie Mays SGC 80- $189.50

1953 Topps Mantle PSA 3- $734
1953 Topps Mantle SGC 40- $699

Like I said, it's pretty close on the star cards. But this isn't a point I'm going to sit here and argue about-- if you don't believe me take the time to track auctions. Otherwise we'll just close the issue now. >>

There's also the '72 Nolan Ryan that sold for $210. Several psa 8's just sold, with the highest being $150. Every time I've researched sales for SGC 92's, I've seen at least a slight premium for the star cards the majority of the time. Commons are a different story.

theczar

For what it's worth..

96150 items found for psa in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop
5181 items found for sgc in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop

and why not..

8994 items found for gai in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop
20500 items found for bgs in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop
2274 items found for bvg in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop

you forgot this company knuckles. remember grade what is in the holder, not the who the grader is!

calleocho

Star cards and rare cards sell well regardless of holder.

Now...when it comes to commons...PSA rules

Boopotts

<< <i>My advice to you :

Buy up all the SGC graded cards you can and then make a fortune when they become the # 1 grading company.

Hope you're either living in a different solar system , or you're a trust fund baby that will never ever have a need for cash ... >>



I'd rather buy up all the SGC cards at a discount from guys who haven't learned that that PSA and SGC are comparable in quality, cross them over, and make a tidy profit

Southerncards

SGC ROCKS!!!!!!!


(sorry, couldn't resist)

rbdjr1

Does anyone have an idea how many thousands of "sheet cut" OPC hockey (and to a lesser degree, baseball) PSA graded by error these past years?

There is not a day that goes by that I do not see a whole bunch of 60's & 70's OPC Hockey in PSA 9 and some in PSA 10 (and a few opc baseball too!), ...all with those"clean-cut" Topps edges! ..."Pop-up" on ebay for auction!

In other words NOT OPC "rough cuts".

Is PSA still grading those sheet cuts now? Or were there just a "ton of sheet cut OPC's" graded by PSA in the past?

And it seems they still sell fairly easily on ebay anyway!

Opinions anyone?

TIA

rbd

Stone193

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