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1803 half eagle-like "kettle" token: Any info?

BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
Hello, what can any token experts tell me about the circumstances of the history of these items?

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what period are they from? who made them? what was their purpose? thanks in advance.

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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 23,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Try this link.
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

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    krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    From the e-Sylum (publication of the Numismatic Bibliomania Society)...

    The following is Andrew Pollack's take on it: "I get the impression
    that Judd thought AW-22 was actually the 1803 $2.50 KETTLE
    gaming token, and he seems to indicate that he was actually aware
    of some of these receiving the AW-22 attribution in catalogues.
    I'm not aware of any specific auction records wherein AW
    numbers have been assigned to KETTLE pieces.

    Although I doubt Edgar Adams would have been deceived by a
    KETTLE token, it's possible that a mid-19th-century cataloguer
    might have been, especially if the token had been altered by
    removing the letters KETTLE. Hence, I presume Adams got his
    listing from an auction catalogue or a dealer's FPL.

    I list the brass and silver KETTLE $2.50 in my book as P-8001
    and 8010, respectively. Judd also mentions "copper gilt"
    KETTLE tokens.

    I guess the question to resolve is "When did KETTLE tokens first
    appear?" If they were produced prior to 1859, then the listing can
    probably be safely attributed to them. Unfortunately, since my
    numismatic library is still in storage in NH, I can't do any checking."

    The reference to Kettle tokens sent me scurrying to my
    library to find L. B. Fauver's 1981 book, "Exonomia Symbolism
    & Classification": "The Kettle firm was begun during the 1780s
    by Henry Kettle, and his sons Thomas and William joined the
    firm sometime probably shortly after 1800. Thomas Kettle took
    over responsibilities about 1812 and continued to run the business
    until at least the late 1830's...

    The vast majority of Kettle pieces served as counters... their
    great similarity in both design and size to contemporary gold
    guineas, gold half guineas, gold one-third guineas, and to
    American gold quarter eagle and gold half eagles." (pp v-vi)

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    thanks guys! image

    anyone know anything further? anyone have one too?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 17,920 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it actually gold? Looks extremely thin. I know nothing of them image
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I believe it to be gilt brass.

    it IS thin, kind of like a draped bust quarter.

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 17,920 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe it to be gilt brass.

    it IS thin, kind of like a draped bust quarter. >>

    Kinda cool. The top pics make it look half dime or 3¢s thin.
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    MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I picked up one of these at a yard sale today. Paid $10 for it as I liked the look of it and know I won't be owning the quarter eagle anytime soon. The guy said he'd had it for twenty years and didn't know what it was. I never had seen one until I searched "kettle" here. Anyone have any more information on the Kettle token?

    Maine_Jim

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    RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice pick-up, Maine_Jim!

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

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    MaineJimMaineJim Posts: 740 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Rich - tt for the night crowd. Any token specialist out there?

    Maine_Jim

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