What do you think? AT or NT? (poll)

SYRACUSIAN

Seller has 2036 100% positive feedback, but that didn't stop him from misbehaving when we talked return policy issues. I don't have it in hand yet.

What do you think?

ajaan

I think NT. Why would someone AT this coin?

danglen

NT--- The toning doesn't crawl over the devices

wybrit

AT.

coinkat

AT sorry...

SYRACUSIAN

<< <i>I think NT. Why would someone AT this coin? >>




Because it can triple its value. Lloyd sold a 1874-A 20 lepta, much cheaper than this 50 lepta, with superb colours for above $220, when it shouldn't have sold above $70 if it was white. Of course many bidders thought that it was a very rare proof issue that the seller mistook as a simple prooflike, but they did not know the seller like I did and that there is no way that a proof can escape him, especially when his eye is trained to distinguish maundy coins from proofs.


On the plus side is the seller's feedback, on the minus the not very natural looking degradation of colours and the non return policy.

Part of his email:

there is no return policy, you should have made sure before you
got involved with bidding, we do not send coin half way round
the world to be checked out. if you want to be sure of what your
buying then you should buy only certified coins, or go to shows
a pick them your self, we will relist the coin if the Gonna be any
problem, this coin was on auction for 10 days! thank you ---


But tonight I was not in my best of moods so this was my immediate reply to him:

---, if the coin is Artificially Toned, you're in no position to give me attitude,
I don't give a damn if it comes all the way from the states, it's coming by plane not a donkey,
so if it's not as described I'll send it straight back to you and probably neg you too if you don't fully refund me,
I've been a buyer and seller on ebay since 1999,and if it's an AT then you misdescribed it on purpose, reason enough to return it.
The length of the auction is irrelevant, the fuzzy photo was the same for all 10 days.

But like I said, I always hope for the best.
I'm sorry if I sound hostile, but instead of reassuring me that the coin has natural toning,
you just increased my suspicions and I don't like this attitude anyway , ok?

Item has just been paid in full.

If you have already submitted the coin to a grading company
and has been returned as a bodybag due to AT, there's no need to send it at all,
you can refund me already and all is well.

Otherwise, I'll expect the coin and will let you know.

spinaker2000

reminder to self:

add "digo6969" to my blocked bidder list!! He has issues!!

SYRACUSIAN

coinkat

sometimes you just have to write what you think... and frankly, you did not deserve the e-mail response that you received.

Fairlaneman

The photo looks washed out with no luster on my monitor. From what I can see I would be with the AT responders.

Ken

SYRACUSIAN

<< <i>sometimes you just have to write what you think... and frankly, you did not deserve the e-mail response that you received. >>




'Kat, you know how much I value your opinion and thanks for taking my side on this. However I will admit that I could have been more polite and less hostile myself, spinaker's joke probably has some truth in it,at least for my tonight's behaviour. It is a joke Terry, isn't it?

The point is,that a seller cannot pretend to hide behind the lack of return policy in his listings. If the coin is not as described,that is with very beautiful natural toning, I have every right to return it, file a complaint and quickly get a refund through Paypal's buyer's protection plan, which I never had to use so far.It is my opinion though, that if the coin is a flagrant AT, the experienced seller will not jeopardize his 100% perfect feedback and
a) will refund my money and will not even bother to ship the coin to me
b) will refund my money upon receipt of his item if I judge it to be AT and return it to him, there is no time for submissions on this one
or
c) if the coin looks NT to me, I will certainly apologize and will leave him a very nice feedback. Imagine if the coin gets BBed after c) though....



edited to add that the fact that he mentions that he intends to relist it if there are problems, instead of offering a second chance to the underbidder, increases my doubts about shill bidding involved, in fact a US based bidder with an inactive account for the past 12 months more than doubled the price in the last few hours, I can't see the very few items he bought so far and if he has a particular interest in Greece or toned coins, because all his transactions are so old that the items are no longer in ebay's database.

Numismatics

AT

wybrit

---, if the coin is Artificially Toned, you're in no position to give me attitude,
I don't give a damn if it comes all the way from the states, it's coming by plane not a donkey,
so if it's not as described I'll send it straight back to you and probably neg you too if you don't fully refund me,
I've been a buyer and seller on ebay since 1999,and if it's an AT then you misdescribed it on purpose, reason enough to return it.
The length of the auction is irrelevant, the fuzzy photo was the same for all 10 days.

But like I said, I always hope for the best.
I'm sorry if I sound hostile, but instead of reassuring me that the coin has natural toning,
you just increased my suspicions and I don't like this attitude anyway , ok?

Item has just been paid in full.

If you have already submitted the coin to a grading company
and has been returned as a bodybag due to AT, there's no need to send it at all,
you can refund me already and all is well.

Otherwise, I'll expect the coin and will let you know.



Go, syraq, go!!!!

MSD61

You tell them Dimitri!!!

ajaan

Tell us how you really feel Dimitri, don't hold back now.

MacCrimmon

I voted 'see it in hand'.

If it is AT you could buy in on that Chinese Counterfeit slab IPO.....

newsman

I'd want to see it, too.

I have avoided bidding on this seller's coins because his pictures never quite look right to me. There were a couple of coins I was interested in, but the pictures made them appear cleaned, so I passed. I could give him the benefit of the doubt and say he just doesn't know how to image his coins, but his response to Dimitri leads me to suspect some less-than-ethical behavior and confirm what my instincts have told me in the past.

Coindexter

Light pastels in that blotchy pattern always make me suspicious. I'd call this AT until it showed up and proved me wrong.

clutsy

What exactly is the definition of NT?

1jester

It kind of looks AT but I voted not sure. You're right, the situation appears very suspicious, especially his attitude. Way to go with your response!!

danglen

<< <i> What exactly is the definition of NT? >>



NT= Natural Toning = Mother Nature does the coloring work
AT= Artificial Toning = Colorful Coins thru Chemistry

SYRACUSIAN

Received the coin today, looks NT to me ,at least at first glance,with nice p-l surfaces. I sent an email to the seller and left him a very nice feedback.

Rickc300

IMOHO this is the reason I like blast white, as struck, from the mint, coins! I only want to see toning (tarnish) on circulated coins, all others should be as "minted" in my book. Rainbow toning, even "natural" is caused by chemical reaction. It may be from paper rolls, air, water or even acids from the human body. Take a blast white silver round and look at it under magnification. Let it sit on a piece of walnut or oak wood for 6 months and then look at it again under the same magnification. You will be amazed... The coloring looks great to the naked eye, the pitting looks like h&ll under 30X magnification.

Just my 2 cents worth...

Rick