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drddmdrddm Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Anyone ever cross over NGC MS64 or 65 Liberty Nickels into PCGS holders of the SAME GRADE and how nice does the coin have to be to get placed in a PCGS holder?

Thanks,
Dave

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  • TahoeDaleTahoeDale Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭
    Dave,

    I have been working on the lib nckels for almost 13 years, and have encountered the situation you mentioned many times.

    Here's what I have seen work, and not work on the coins I have submitted. Most have been NGC 66's and 67's attempted, but there were several 65's that have made it.

    The most important factors are luster and strike. If the coin is dull, flat, or has mottled toning, there is a good probability that it will not cross. The strike must be at least "good" to make the 65 grade. Some weak stars (obverse), and weak corn and wreath (reverse) will not prevent a 65 or better grade, but more than one significant hit will kill most 65's.

    64's will generally have several hits, so with good luster, they can make the grade at PCGS. Today, luster and strike are way ahead of marks in grading.

    The best way to get a feel for what PCGS requires for the grades mentioned(64 and 65) is to view, in hand, as many as possible. Also, go online and view auction records, as Heritage will provide hundreds, if not thousands of examples.

    It shouldn't take too long to get a good feel for what it will take. This doesn't count the present view that both PCGS and NGC are as tough on grading as they have been in a long time.

    Good hunting
    TahoeDale
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have crossed my coins from NGC to PCGS with 100% success, but my only attempt to go from PCGS to NGC (which was a crack out), NGC graded it lower. It was sent back to PCGS (cracked again) and came back the same grade as before.

    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TahoeDale,

    I just sent you a PM
  • lookin4Linkinlookin4Linkin Posts: 38
    I am actually wondering the same thing about kennedy halfs. I have a 73-P MS67 in an NGC holder (Pop 2) and I would like it in a PCGS holder, but Im scared it won't cross.

    Anybody have some advice?

    Also, what is the fee to cross?
  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dbldie55,

    What grade were your NGC liberty nickels before you sent them to PCGS and what did they look like in terms of luster, strike, marks, etc.?

    Do you think that key dates (1885, 1886, 1912-S) have a particularly harder time at crossing into PCGS holders?

    Thanks for the info,
    Dave
  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Dbldie55,

    What grade were your NGC liberty nickels before you sent them to PCGS and what did they look like in terms of luster, strike, marks, etc.?

    Do you think that key dates (1885, 1886, 1912-S) have a particularly harder time at crossing into PCGS holders?

    Thanks for the info,
    Dave >>



    Do not remember the specifics, just that they crossed. The only key date was an 1886 in a PCGS MS64 holder. When sent to NGC they graded it MS63. When sent back to PCGS, they graded it MS64 again (the coin was never sent in a holder).

    The only DNC I had, I sent in later raw, and it received the same grade as NGC had graded it.

    The only thing that is tough is the higher grade coins. I do not see PCGS crossing a coin into unchartered water (IE: make a coin pop 1/0 at PCGS)
    Collector and Researcher of Liberty Head Nickels. ANA LM-6053
  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I personaly don't think the graders should know the pop of the coin they are grading. It shouldn't matter. The coin is what it is!!!!!!!image
  • docday2003docday2003 Posts: 1,100


    << <i>I personaly don't think the graders should know the pop of the coin they are grading. It shouldn't matter. The coin is what it is!!!!!!!image >>



    I crossed an ICCS ms66 canadian 5¢ into a PCGS MS 67, making it a pop 1/0...so it does happen.
  • ParkekalParkekal Posts: 118
    I don't know about the MS Kennedy halves, but I can tell you from personal experience that the proof Kennedy halves only crossed over from NGC to PCGS in moderate grades, not top grades.... and i tried quite a few.

    Parke Kallenberg US Proof Half Set
  • jacktheknifejacktheknife Posts: 1,547 ✭



    I'd say that for a point of reference check out the upcoming ANR auction. Some stellar Lib nickels there!!



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    Jack


  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen Dale's set on ANR already, it's AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The following coins are OUT OF THIS WORLD..... the 1883 WC and 1885 MS67, 1895, 1896 and 1912-S all in MS66, INCREDIBLE!!!!

    Have you seen his NGC coins...WOW!!!!

    Check out his 1890 MS67 (pop 1), 1894 (pop 2) and the UNBELIEVABLE 1902 in MS68, the highest grade given to ANY liberty nickel by either PCGS or NGC.

    His set will likely set some major records for Lib nickels!!!

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