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Gotta love Saturdays at the coin shop..........
longtimecollector
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Phone rang this morning like it always does............
Elderly voice on the other end wanted to know if I bought coins........... uhhhhhh yeah...........
Said he had a couple of coins with indians on 'em......... one was 1914......... and one was 1927.......... I said "bring 'em in and let me get a look at 'em"..........
He said that he had got them many years ago, but now he wanted to sell 'em..........
I figured they might be a couple decent Buffalos, and maybe he had a bigger stash at home and was just testing the waters........
So a couple hrs. later, but before the "6" fiasco, he shows up at the store............ Says "I called you earlier".........
So I pull out the velvet pad, and grab my glasses, and he hands me a couple envelopes........
I slide out the first coin, and it's a GORGEOUS 14-D $2 1/2 Indian !!!!!!!! The 27 was a $2 1/2 Indian also !!!!!!!!
I ended up buying both pieces, but I thought I'd share with you the pic of the envelopes they came in.........
Pay close attention to the prices written on them............
Elderly voice on the other end wanted to know if I bought coins........... uhhhhhh yeah...........
Said he had a couple of coins with indians on 'em......... one was 1914......... and one was 1927.......... I said "bring 'em in and let me get a look at 'em"..........
He said that he had got them many years ago, but now he wanted to sell 'em..........
I figured they might be a couple decent Buffalos, and maybe he had a bigger stash at home and was just testing the waters........
So a couple hrs. later, but before the "6" fiasco, he shows up at the store............ Says "I called you earlier".........
So I pull out the velvet pad, and grab my glasses, and he hands me a couple envelopes........
I slide out the first coin, and it's a GORGEOUS 14-D $2 1/2 Indian !!!!!!!! The 27 was a $2 1/2 Indian also !!!!!!!!
I ended up buying both pieces, but I thought I'd share with you the pic of the envelopes they came in.........
Pay close attention to the prices written on them............
Cam-Slam 2-6-04
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3 "DAMMIT BOYS"
4 "YOU SUCKS"
Numerous POTD (But NONE officially recognized)
Seated Halves are my specialty !
Seated Half set by date/mm COMPLETE !
Seated Half set by WB# - 289 down / 31 to go !!!!!
(1) "Smoebody smack him" from CornCobWipe !
IN MEMORY OF THE CUOF
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Said he had a couple of coins with indians on 'em......... one was 1914......... and one was 1927.......... I said "bring 'em in and let me get a look at 'em"..........
He said that he had got them many years ago, but now he wanted to sell 'em..........
Obviously, "many years ago" means different things to different folks!!
Great thread!!
<< <i>well.. how much did you snipe the ol' man for?
Well, How much!!
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time. where are the coins?
we dont need no stinkin envelopes!
My thought immediately went to the gold, before it did the Buffalo nickels. I think most noncollectors know about Buffalo nickels and would have mentioned them by name.
$2.50 Indians, huh? I hope they're real. But you probably know to watch out for the ones that ain't.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
Then I realized it said "9th Type."
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
Got stung with a bad one....... and one was cleaned..........
BUT......... The 63 MORE than makes up for it !!!!!!!!
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Item NCS
Line Item Year Mint
Mark Variety Denom. Proof Grade Strike
Char Comments
001 1908 $2.5 MS 61
002 1911 $2.5 MS NOT GENUINE
003 1914 D $2.5 MS 61
004 1926 $2.5 MS IMPROPERLY CLEANED
005 1927 $2.5 MS 63
006 1928 $2.5 MS 62
3 "DAMMIT BOYS"
4 "YOU SUCKS"
Numerous POTD (But NONE officially recognized)
Seated Halves are my specialty !
Seated Half set by date/mm COMPLETE !
Seated Half set by WB# - 289 down / 31 to go !!!!!
(1) "Smoebody smack him" from CornCobWipe !
IN MEMORY OF THE CUOF
Vietnam Vet 69-70 - Semper Fi
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I guess always, let the seller beware.
this story makes me sad.
"Bongo hurtles along the rain soaked highway of life on underinflated bald retread tires."
~Wayne
<< <i>anyone else see this thread giving dealers a bad name ? >>
Not really. What did the dealer do to give others a bad name???
This was NO rip..............
I paid a decent amount for the coins in question.........
I got fooled by a counterfeit........
I went thru the time and expense of submitting these coins.........
At the time of the purchase, the seller was MORE than pleased with the price.........
Bad name my ass........ Just the perils of buying raw, off the street and trying to make a living at it..........
Thought I'd share some of the highs & lows with the group.........
If a collector had bought a raw coin and had it come back a 63, there'd be CHA-CHINGS all over the freakin' boards.........
If a collector had bought a counterfeit from a dealer, they'd be lynching him in public.........
Jeez-o-petes
3 "DAMMIT BOYS"
4 "YOU SUCKS"
Numerous POTD (But NONE officially recognized)
Seated Halves are my specialty !
Seated Half set by date/mm COMPLETE !
Seated Half set by WB# - 289 down / 31 to go !!!!!
(1) "Smoebody smack him" from CornCobWipe !
IN MEMORY OF THE CUOF
<< <i>Hold on a minute.........
This was NO rip..............
I paid a decent amount for the coins in question.........
I got fooled by a counterfeit........
I went thru the time and expense of submitting these coins.........
At the time of the purchase, the seller was MORE than pleased with the price.........
Bad name my ass........ Just the perils of buying raw, off the street and trying to make a living at it..........
Thought I'd share some of the highs & lows with the group......... >>
Actually, what you paid for the coins is nobody's business but your own. Where do these yahoos come off thinking that it is any of their business!!
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<< <i>Hold on a minute.........
This was NO rip..............
I paid a decent amount for the coins in question.........
I got fooled by a counterfeit........
I went thru the time and expense of submitting these coins.........
At the time of the purchase, the seller was MORE than pleased with the price.........
Bad name my ass........ Just the perils of buying raw, off the street and trying to make a living at it..........
Thought I'd share some of the highs & lows with the group......... >>
Actually, what you paid for the coins is nobody's business but your own. Where do these yahoos come off thinking that it is any of their business!!
Agreed...
42/92
Good score!
You pay the lights
You pay the heat
You pay for all the other stuff as well
You take the chance they are real
You send them in for grading
You tie up your money waiting..................
You reap the rewards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good Job !
Dan
you're a dealer and have no interest except to score. to your own self be true.
this is, after all, the Dealers Universe to some. would I be inclined to buy from you based on this post ?
probably not. and that's just my opinion.
personally, I think before all is said an done everyone stands tall before the man. I dont want to have anything to explain away.
I dont think "it's just business" will stand up as an exuse.
again, that my own personal perspective. flame away.
He needs to make a living too.
He cant make money of paying people top dollar and selling for cheaper. Its called ecomoics and is the philosphy of every coorporation in America. Buy low, sell high.
If you dont like it, there are plenty of other countries to choose from Hyperion
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<< <i>I just had a HUGE post, and you know what ? I deleted it and replaced it with this:
you're a dealer and have no interest except to score. to your own self be true.
this is, after all, the Dealers Universe to some. would I be inclined to buy from you based on this post ?
probably not. and that's just my opinion.
personally, I think before all is said an done everyone stands tall before the man. I dont want to have anything to explain away.
I dont think "it's just business" will stand up as an exuse.
again, that my own personal perspective. flame away. >>
So, when you go to the West Chester show, will you ask each dealer how much they paid for an item before deciding to buy??
Wake up and come into the real world!!
if you know him, great, im telling you my impression.
profit is fine, I thought this was a board for people who like to educate and instruct,
most posts I read, I know this is less and less the case.
<< <i>Longtimecollector offered him a fair deal..guarunteed.
He needs to make a living too.
He cant make money of paying people top dollar and selling for cheaper. Its called ecomoics and is the philosphy of every coorporation in America. Buy low, sell high.
If you dont like it, there are plenty of other countries to choose from Hyperion >>
Look, the seller *could have* done everything LTC did, but he opted to use a coin dealer. That's where they are there for, isn't it -- they do a lot of the grunt work, they make a lot of the harder decisions, they tie up their money and they take a lot of the risks. In turn, they get a percentage. Works for me.
Having said that, a favorite dealer of mine recently sent me an unexpected check when a coin I'd sold him months and months ago came back from PCGS higher than either of us expected. That's a cool thing to do. If this guy is a regular, or LTC has his contact info, and there is room to do it, to do as my dealer did would be a praiseworthy thing. I don't think it is required.
As far as educating and instructing go, I think this is a worthwhile and provocative thread. I say this because it prompts us to reflect on what the services are that dealers provide us as buyers and as sellers, and what their work is worth. Like many of the best questions, these don't have clearcut answers -- that makes them all the more important to think about.
<< <i>hey, I dont know the guy from adam.
if you know him, great, im telling you my impression.
profit is fine, I thought this was a board for people who like to educate and instruct,
most posts I read, I know this is less and less the case. >>
It is a place to learn and make friends.
What it isn't is a place for you to get into other peoples' business.
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<< <i>I just had a HUGE post, and you know what ? I deleted it and replaced it with this:
you're a dealer and have no interest except to score. to your own self be true.
this is, after all, the Dealers Universe to some. would I be inclined to buy from you based on this post ?
probably not. and that's just my opinion.
personally, I think before all is said an done everyone stands tall before the man. I dont want to have anything to explain away.
I dont think "it's just business" will stand up as an exuse.
again, that my own personal perspective. flame away. >>
So, when you go to the West Chester show, will you ask each dealer how much they paid for an item before deciding to buy??
Wake up and come into the real world!! >>
not at all, if I go, I will go and look and see things ive probably never seen before.
Im sure there will be people who size me up like a used car dealer thinking, how much does he have in his pocket?
Im sure there will be people who will love to give up a tidbit of info on the coins, relay history, and be honest with me on thier opinions.
I hope I run into more people like the second.
I guess if you're a business man on some level you're going to sound jackal-esque.
Anyone else ?
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<< <i>hey, I dont know the guy from adam.
if you know him, great, im telling you my impression.
profit is fine, I thought this was a board for people who like to educate and instruct,
most posts I read, I know this is less and less the case. >>
It is a place to learn and make friends.
What it isn't is a place for you to get into other peoples' business. >>
then dont make the post about how well you just did on a transaction if you can't take a negative comment.
if the person wasn't some oldster it wouldn't have struck me so hard.
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<< <i>I just had a HUGE post, and you know what ? I deleted it and replaced it with this:
you're a dealer and have no interest except to score. to your own self be true.
this is, after all, the Dealers Universe to some. would I be inclined to buy from you based on this post ?
probably not. and that's just my opinion.
personally, I think before all is said an done everyone stands tall before the man. I dont want to have anything to explain away.
I dont think "it's just business" will stand up as an exuse.
again, that my own personal perspective. flame away. >>
So, when you go to the West Chester show, will you ask each dealer how much they paid for an item before deciding to buy??
Wake up and come into the real world!! >>
not at all, if I go, I will go and look and see things ive probably never seen before.
Im sure there will be people who size me up like a used car dealer thinking, how much does he have in his pocket?
Im sure there will be people who will love to give up a tidbit of info on the coins, relay history, and be honest with me on thier opinions.
I hope I run into more people like the second.
I guess if you're a business man on some level you're going to sound jackal-esque.
Anyone else ? >>
I'm not a business man. I'm a machinist and a damn good one at that.
Whatever you are, don't give you the right to criticize people for not giving you personal info.
Come to the Baltimore show and I'll fill you full of info if that's what you want. I'll introduce you to lots of very good dealers. Hell, I may even treat you to lunch.
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<< <i>hey, I dont know the guy from adam.
if you know him, great, im telling you my impression.
profit is fine, I thought this was a board for people who like to educate and instruct,
most posts I read, I know this is less and less the case. >>
It is a place to learn and make friends.
What it isn't is a place for you to get into other peoples' business. >>
then dont make the post about how well you just did on a transaction if you can't take a negative comment.
if the person wasn't some oldster it wouldn't have struck me so hard. >>
Would you care to point out where he said he did so well????
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<< <i>I just had a HUGE post, and you know what ? I deleted it and replaced it with this:
you're a dealer and have no interest except to score. to your own self be true.
this is, after all, the Dealers Universe to some. would I be inclined to buy from you based on this post ?
probably not. and that's just my opinion.
personally, I think before all is said an done everyone stands tall before the man. I dont want to have anything to explain away.
I dont think "it's just business" will stand up as an exuse.
again, that my own personal perspective. flame away. >>
So, when you go to the West Chester show, will you ask each dealer how much they paid for an item before deciding to buy??
Wake up and come into the real world!! >>
not at all, if I go, I will go and look and see things ive probably never seen before.
Im sure there will be people who size me up like a used car dealer thinking, how much does he have in his pocket?
Im sure there will be people who will love to give up a tidbit of info on the coins, relay history, and be honest with me on thier opinions.
I hope I run into more people like the second.
I guess if you're a business man on some level you're going to sound jackal-esque.
Anyone else ? >>
I'm not a business man. I'm a machinist and a damn good one at that.
Whatever you are, don't give you the right to criticize people for not giving you personal info.
Come to the Baltimore show and I'll fill you full of info if that's what you want. I'll introduce you to lots of very good dealers. Hell, I may even treat you to lunch. >>
you are taking this WAY to personally. did I call you a bad machinist ??!!!?
wow..
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<< <i>I just had a HUGE post, and you know what ? I deleted it and replaced it with this:
you're a dealer and have no interest except to score. to your own self be true.
this is, after all, the Dealers Universe to some. would I be inclined to buy from you based on this post ?
probably not. and that's just my opinion.
personally, I think before all is said an done everyone stands tall before the man. I dont want to have anything to explain away.
I dont think "it's just business" will stand up as an exuse.
again, that my own personal perspective. flame away. >>
So, when you go to the West Chester show, will you ask each dealer how much they paid for an item before deciding to buy??
Wake up and come into the real world!! >>
not at all, if I go, I will go and look and see things ive probably never seen before.
Im sure there will be people who size me up like a used car dealer thinking, how much does he have in his pocket?
Im sure there will be people who will love to give up a tidbit of info on the coins, relay history, and be honest with me on thier opinions.
I hope I run into more people like the second.
I guess if you're a business man on some level you're going to sound jackal-esque.
Anyone else ? >>
I'm not a business man. I'm a machinist and a damn good one at that.
Whatever you are, don't give you the right to criticize people for not giving you personal info.
Come to the Baltimore show and I'll fill you full of info if that's what you want. I'll introduce you to lots of very good dealers. Hell, I may even treat you to lunch. >>
you are taking this WAY to personally. did I call you a bad machinist ??!!!?
wow.. >>
You aren't very good at word comprehension are you???
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<< <i>hey, I dont know the guy from adam.
if you know him, great, im telling you my impression.
profit is fine, I thought this was a board for people who like to educate and instruct,
most posts I read, I know this is less and less the case. >>
It is a place to learn and make friends.
What it isn't is a place for you to get into other peoples' business. >>
then dont make the post about how well you just did on a transaction if you can't take a negative comment.
if the person wasn't some oldster it wouldn't have struck me so hard. >>
Would you care to point out where he said he did so well????
Did you read his post clearly ????/???
UPDATE....... NGC graded the 14-D a 61, and the 27 went MS63 !!!!!!!!
Got stung with a bad one....... and one was cleaned..........
BUT......... The 63 MORE than makes up for it !!!!!!!!
That implies to me that he netted out very well. 8 exclamation marks worth.
thats enough of this, Ive responded back to every original thought you had and since noone else is posting ill consider the group flame of me is over
for the moment.
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<< <i>hey, I dont know the guy from adam.
if you know him, great, im telling you my impression.
profit is fine, I thought this was a board for people who like to educate and instruct,
most posts I read, I know this is less and less the case. >>
It is a place to learn and make friends.
What it isn't is a place for you to get into other peoples' business. >>
then dont make the post about how well you just did on a transaction if you can't take a negative comment.
if the person wasn't some oldster it wouldn't have struck me so hard. >>
Would you care to point out where he said he did so well????
Did you read his post clearly ????/???
UPDATE....... NGC graded the 14-D a 61, and the 27 went MS63 !!!!!!!!
Got stung with a bad one....... and one was cleaned..........
BUT......... The 63 MORE than makes up for it !!!!!!!!
That implies to me that he netted out very well. 8 exclamation marks worth. >>
<< <i>implies to me that he netted out very well. 8 exclamation marks worth >>
I would think he probably bought it assuming it would 62 in that case, meaning he thought he was buying a $450 coin when in fact he was buying a $950 coin. Meanwhile, one turned out fake. He didn't say what he bought it as, but you have to figure he's in anywhere $140 to $300 plus the grading fee. It is not like he stole something here!