Funny 1962 Topps Wax Pack bust!!!

handyman · February 16, 2006 9:38AM

Ok, earlier today I got the baseball to bust open a 1962 Topps Football pack that was graded by GAI an 8. Pack looked nice. But it looked a little lose . I paid only 290.00 for it last year and thought what the hell, Ive never opened a 1962 pack so why not. Well after cutting away the GAI case I gently opened the unsealed 1962 pack. First off there was a small tear on the inside of the pack which made me worried that it had been searched. Well the first card showing was #102 Y.A. Tittle and just a small if nothing bit of wax on the front(which rubbed of with ease) Should grade a 9!!. Also the card is centered 50-50 all around and has pure black borders with out a single chip!! Looks like a MINT 9 or even a 10!! Funny thing about the pack after seeing that card first was the second card. It was a common card #135 and here is the kicker, it had a wax stain!! So now I know the pack was opened!! But then the next card is the best card of them all!! #2 Lenny Moore, Centered 50-50 all around front and back with AMAZING BLACK BORDERS!! THIS CARD IS AN EASY PSA 10!!! This card is better looking than anything I have ever seen! Ive been sending cards to PSA for about 7 years now and I just know they will grade it a 10. So nice!!! Made my day. Oh yea next 2 cards were OC with mint corners. But what the hell, I thought the point of searching packs were to take out the best cards. I wonder if this pack was opened back in the day when YA. Tittle and Moore where not all that hot. Thats my only guess.
What do yall think a PSA 10 Moore will bring? Is there a 10? If i knew how to post scans I would. If you email me Ill send you a pic.
Derek

softparade · February 16, 2006 9:46AM

handy, unless you ate a bunch of shrooooms before you opened and analyzed that searched pack, I would say you hit the lottery!

MuckyMutt · February 16, 2006 9:48AM

2 nines and no 10's on the Moore!

Fantastic pulls - even if that was a ?brave? move opening that 62 pack. Congrats - and boy, I bet that was fun!!!

handyman · February 16, 2006 10:00AM

THANKS GUYS!!
After feeling luckey, I dug into my pack collection. And just pulled out a 1970 Baseball GAI 9 5,6,7th series and opened it.
GUESS WHAT
A dead centered PETE ROSE!!! MINT 9!!, And a Johnny Bench ALl Star Mint but centered 65-35 LR!!!
I wish i knew how to post scans!!
Im running them over to my dads house to show him my pulls!!
And the only pack left that I have is a 1954 Bowman FB 5cent Football pack GAI 6 , but Im going to leave it as is!
MAN IM HAPPY!!

shambo2000 · February 16, 2006 10:47AM

If you e-mail the scans to me at shambo2000@yahoo.com I'll post them for you.

Shannon

MuckyMutt · February 16, 2006 11:26AM

here are the pics -

Griffins · February 16, 2006 11:27AM

Damn!
Quick, buy a lottery ticket before this streak ends!

handyman · February 16, 2006 11:27AM

WHAT DO YALL THINK????????
THanks budy for posting the pics!!!!!

sandmanfromlv · February 16, 2006 11:37AM

FB, 2 9's
Rose...hi end 9 possible 10...

handyman · February 16, 2006 11:41AM

I would kill for a 10 on any of these cards. But they have a very nice chance I think.
I want to bust more packs. By the way I just went and bought 5 quick pics for tonights lotto(haha i wish), Wish me luck!!
Derek

sandmanfromlv · February 16, 2006 11:43AM

A PSA 8 Lenny Moore went for $60
A PSA 7 Tittle went for $16 (a raw...nice shape around 25)

The Rose at an 8 went for 170...

Stone193 · February 16, 2006 11:44AM

Handy

What can I say but WOW!!!

Those cards a sweet!!

Good luck on your sub.

mike

sandmanfromlv · February 16, 2006 11:45AM

the only thing that I see on the Moore to possibly prevent a 10 is a little flaking on the borders and is that a green spot near the word halfback?

Other than that, you have me jealous and wanting to go buy some vintage packs, but the fact you suspect the FB pack as opened concerns my faith in GAI...

handyman · February 16, 2006 11:48AM

yea i dont get that about the searcher. Im 100% sure it was searched!! But it still had sweet cards. I wonder what card they took out. Bc they put an extra wax stained card in the pack.
HMMM. Brown????

Allen · February 16, 2006 12:51PM

Moore might be hit with (PD) for that green spot by Halfback.
I say all 8s.

handyman · February 16, 2006 1:18PM

Im sending them tomorrow, but the green spot really isnt that bad, When you hold the card you cant help but say damn!!!
Its a lock 9 or better I feel. You should see this card under a loop, there is nothing!
Derek

packCollector · February 16, 2006 1:29PM

don't think the moore will get a pd , as a matter of fact i positive it won't . allan , if those were your cards would you be happy if they came back 8's? if they were mine , Iwould be pi$$ed.

Ahmanfan · February 16, 2006 1:44PM

i'd be interested in the 62's that you pulled (the others you didnt deem grade worthy)
let me know
JOhn

handyman · February 16, 2006 2:26PM

They are grade worthy, just not like those 2. One will grade an 8 maybe a 9, one will grade a 9 OC, and the other will grade an 8 OC.
Im sending in all 5 at the same tim to have graded. So they can see those came straight from a pack.
Im also sending in the 1970 Rose and Bench, 1971-72 Jerry West pulled from a pack 50-50 MINT 9, 1952 Topps Spahn Nm-Mt fresh,2 1952 Commons Ex-Mt to Nm,1968 Ernie Banks Nm-Mt, 1972 Charlie Joiner Rc Nm-Mt, 1971 Dave cocepcion pulled from a pack MINT, and an Earl Campbell Rc Pulled from racks MINT. Im sending in all of these tomorrow and Ill post the grades when they come.
Derek

digicat · February 16, 2006 2:27PM

Though worth far less, I remember breaking a few boxes of 1986 Topps a while back. Obviously searched, wax stained cards in the middle of the packs, etc. Problem was, the only card of value that was missing from the bunch was Seaver and Ripken. Found a bunch of Clemens and Ryans, some out of sequence, leading me to suspect that the searchers ADDED Clemens and Ryans.

stevek · February 16, 2006 3:22PM

I agree with the comments about GAI. Seems to me that buying GAI slabbed packs is a guessing game - they might be unopened, but then again they might be resealed.

My guess on this pack is that someone opened up a number of wax packs, saved the wrappers, the cards were put in albums or something like that, and then at some point in time all (or most) of the cards at random were resealed, probably many years ago, in the packs without thinking about the wax stains. Otherwise for sure nobody would have left a Tittle or Lenny Moore in there.

I agree that there's not going to be a 10 there but based on your knowledge hopefully there will be a 9. This I do know...I remember opening up some 1962 football wax packs in 1962 and some cards already had chipping on them...so it wasn't any "wear" per se but just simply the way the ink didn't adhere to the edges when cut from the sheet.

ravenman · February 16, 2006 4:57PM

great pull!!!!!i need your luck!!!!

zef204 · February 17, 2006 12:13AM

Awesome pulls!

handyman · March 10, 2006 5:52AM

1 31526137 1972 TOPPS 244 CHARLIE JOINER N/A 8
2 31526138 1970 TOPPS 464 JOHNNY BENCH N/A Not Holdered, Miscut
3 31526139 1962 TOPPS 102 Y.A. TITTLE N/A 8
4 31526140 1971 TOPPS 14 DAVE CONCEPCION N/A 9
5 31526141 1979 TOPPS 390 EARL CAMPBELL N/A 8
6 31526142 1952 TOPPS 33 WARREN SPAHN BLACK BACK 7
7 31526143 1970 TOPPS 580 PETE ROSE N/A 10
8 31526144 1962 TOPPS 2 LENNY MOORE N/A Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
9 31526145 1971 TOPPS 180 AL KALINE N/A 7
10 31526146 1975 TOPPS MINI 195 1957-MVP'S M.MANTLE/H.AARON 8
11 31526147 1955 TOPPS 124 HARMON KILLEBREW N/A 6
12 31526148 1968 TOPPS 177 METS ROOKIES J.KOOSMAN/N.RYAN Not Holdered, Miscut
13 31526149 1977 TOPPS 111 ROBERT PARISH N/A 7ST
14 31526150 1972 TOPPS 447 WILLIE STARGELL N/A 9
15 31526151 1971 TOPPS 50 JERRY WEST N/A 9
Well guys, PSA said my Lenny Moore was trimmed!!!! Thanks GAI!!!!!!!!!!!!
BUT CHECK OUT THE PSA 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RonBurgundy · March 10, 2006 5:55AM

Like it is GAI's fault that the Moore card was trimmed. Ridiculous.

mikeschmidt · March 10, 2006 6:05AM

1970 Topps Pete Rose PSA 10. Fabulous. Let me know if you're interested in selling.

A761506 · March 10, 2006 6:06AM

I'd say you're going to come out real well on this deal with that Rose... probably a $5K card now. Congrats

mikeschmidt · March 10, 2006 6:07AM

<< <i>FB, 2 9's
Rose...hi end 9 possible 10... >>

You called it!

zef204 · March 10, 2006 6:17AM

I would re-sub the Moore.

Also great job on the Rose. That is awesome!

bsfastball · March 10, 2006 7:16AM

holy crap!

JESSEJAMES · March 10, 2006 7:28AM

If the card was indeed trimmed, I would say that it IS GAI's fault... They are not supposed to be holdering searched packs of cards.

Susquehanna · March 10, 2006 7:32AM

Congrats on the Rose. Will you resubmit the moore?

pandrews · March 10, 2006 7:33AM

<< <i>Like it is GAI's fault that the Moore card was trimmed. Ridiculous. >>

yes, if the Moore is indeed trimmed, it is 100% the fault of GAI.. your statement is ridiculous..

pandrews · March 10, 2006 7:33AM

<< <i>If the card was indeed trimmed, I would say that it IS GAI's fault... They are not supposed to be holdering searched packs of cards. >>

correct..

gonzer · March 10, 2006 7:35AM

Awesome pulls!

jad22 · March 10, 2006 7:42AM

I thought the guy who grades packs for GAI was infallible. I remember him posting on this board claiming that only he can gurantee that a pack has never been opened. what happened? sweet rose.

Stone193 · March 10, 2006 7:46AM

Congratulations on the 10!

What a great looking card.

I like the 70s - the simple design.

Are you gonna put it up ebay?

JESSEJAMES · March 10, 2006 7:56AM

Here is my take, it's kinda common sense...
No authenticator, no matter what it is he authenticates, is 100 percent.

All authenticators make mistakes.

I beleive that autograph authenticators probably arent better than 80 percent successful...

I am sure the Global pack guy misses things, as dooes card graders.

thoughts?

MantleMarisFordBerra · March 10, 2006 7:57AM

congrats on some nice cards! Took some big balls to rip open those old packs, that Rose is amazing!

handyman · March 10, 2006 7:05PM

Yea, I paid good money expecting an unopened pack. Even if they are 80% accurate all it takes is one time to get burned and I wont spend thousands of dollars on packs if <i feel they are searched.

ndleo · March 10, 2006 9:41PM

If GAI is only 80% correct in grading packs, then they should stop offering the service. An average collector could probably guess if a pack has been opened at least 60% of the time. So the added value isn't there.

For autographs, I could understand them being wrong 10% of the time due to variability.

handyman · April 19, 2006 4:26AM

pandrews · April 19, 2006 4:39AM

congrats!

i recently had a 1963 topps common returned as miscut/no holder.. i sent it in again and it got an 8..

carew4me · April 19, 2006 4:40AM

They graded it an 8 the first time but this time a 9. What it should have been the first time, 50-50 all around with no wear.

Exactly why is sell any 9 or 10's I get, its a fools game to throw money at high end grades.

Evid of Trim then PSA 8 then PSA 9.

Give me a break.

pandrews · April 19, 2006 4:41AM

<< <i>
Exactly why is sell any 9 or 10's I get, its a fools game to throw money at high end grades.

Evid of Trim then PSA 8 then PSA 9.

Give me a break. >>

the bench was an 8, and is now a 9..

the lenny moore was the one returned as "trimmed", it's now a psa 9..

carew4me · April 19, 2006 4:50AM

ohhhhhh. I the grade dont fit....resubmit

Funny 1962 Topps Wax Pack bust!!!

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