1807 Farthing
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This the first (collector) farthing I have.
Next to no knowledge about copper coins, but this looks stunning.
It is still on approval and am a little concerned about the obverse ding. Its huge but somehow is not extremely detracting. The coin is darker in hand with lovely mirrors that do not want to photographed.
Just how scarce are these, (the price is right on this piece), how often do they turn up and in what condition?
Next to no knowledge about copper coins, but this looks stunning.
It is still on approval and am a little concerned about the obverse ding. Its huge but somehow is not extremely detracting. The coin is darker in hand with lovely mirrors that do not want to photographed.
Just how scarce are these, (the price is right on this piece), how often do they turn up and in what condition?
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It is a beauty except for the damage.
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It has a lovely strike but I do find the detraction distracting.
Thoughts from those who have owned these?
Just out of interest how much would I expect to pay should I want to buy one in same grade as yours ?
Edit: what I'm <I>really</I> asking is - my 2005 yearbook was written in 2004. Are the prices for these Farthings still relatively the same ? It's a great guide to sovereigns however if I could buy sovereigns for those prices now I'd be a happy man.
That is a very nice example - much better than mine!
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<< <i>Just out of interest how much would I expect to pay should I want to buy one in same grade as yours ? >>
To be honest, no idea. Don't track the market for these, this was more of an impulse.
<< <i>In my experience the 1806 is easier to find in high grades than the 1807. 1806 was the first year of issue and were likely saved in higher numbers. >>
The ding when looked at under magnification is huge, but very hard to see otherwise, not sure on its origins either, getting some error guys to check it, not entirely sure its post strike.
Really leaning towards keeping this, don't think I could afford a FDC one.
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Stg 8 for VF
Stg 32 for EF
Stg 70 for UNC
Just hope it's up to date.
Here's one off Colin Cooke's site for 65 pounds.
Here it is on ebay.
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There does appear to be a rather large lint-mark through "IU" sweeping into the hair.
Spink 2006 lists it at 150 pounds. Given a general market softness in UK coppers lately, I would expect a nice MS65RB example to command no more than $175.
<< <i>Where is this obverse ding you mention? Can you provide a blow-up of the area?
There does appear to be a rather large lint-mark through "IU" sweeping into the hair.
Spink 2006 lists it at 150 pounds. Given a general market softness in UK coppers lately, I would expect a nice MS65RB example to command no more than $175. >>
I find 1807 a lot rarer than 1806, and very hard unblemished in top grade.
I am a bit confused (my normal state!) some people mentioning proof -
and in another thread you ask about mintages for a proof.
I don't think there are any SOHO proofs for 1807 farthings.
There are some restrikes done as late as 1880s by Taylor. This does
not appear to be one of those. No "mintage" figures for the Taylor
restrikes exist, he had bought the dies as scrap when the SOHO
works were dismantled - 1840ish.
Boulton died in 1809, so nothing would be found in his papers.
These 1807 restrikes are hard to find - much harder than Peck states;
the easy way to differentiate them is to look at the edge - they have
no security groove.
If you want more info the best book on British Copper is Peck- he goes
into exhaustive detail on these coins.
Nice coin by the way, the "lint mark" would put me off though.
Teg
It is the proof but from what I've learnt since these are more like specimens.
The coin is much darker in hand and as mentioned earlier has very nice mirror fields, the mark really is barely noticable which is strange considering the size.
Security rings? No idea what you are talking about here, please explain.
You also mention Taylor, is this the same Captain Taylor who established the Kangaroo Office?
Going back to the chapters dealing in these in the Challis book, must have had brain set to "sovereign" when I read it.
Will post detail of mintmark soon.
The security ring is the deep grove around the edge of the currency issues.
The restrike "proof" has a flat edge.
W.J. Taylor was a die sinker from this period, he produced these copies specifically
for collectors - a bit naughty really.
As I had my camera out for the above I took a "group" photo of some George
Farthings - Currency / Patterns / Proofs / Trial piece.
Sorry for the poor quality, just a quick snapshot!
Teg
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<< <i>Could the mark be a strike thru fiber or wire? >>
You may have hit the nail on the head, it would be consistant with that kind of error.
Hoping to learn more from some variety collectors soon
<< <i>The restrike "proof" has a flat edge. >>
This coin has the flat edge, but you mention earlier that it does not look like one of the re-strikes, so what are we looking at now?
Mintmark pic
It says that you are the last person to post here ( before my post of course ) but I can't see your post ?!?!
Edit: Aha - I see that you fixed the problem. Ha ha ha.
If your coin has the "flat edge" then it is indeed a rare and valuable coin.
The re strike proofs have a die flaw above the IA of BRITANNIA .
The other interesting "tell" is the K or dot on the truncation of G III portrait,
is it raised or incuse? From your photo the K seems interesting - quite big.
Photos of the edge of the coin, and bottom neck of George would help.
Teg