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What happened to these guys? Also, is Terrell Davis a possible HOF'er?

airjoedanairjoedan Posts: 776 ✭✭✭
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I was going through an old box of toploaders and ran across some forgotten rookie cards of Cade Mcknown, Akili Smith, Robert Edwards, and Curtis Enis. Anyone have any idea what happened to these guys? I remember that Edwards had a great rookie season but broke his knee during flag football..... but why doesn't he still play in the NFL? Are the other guys in NFL Europe or something?

Just curious.......


I also ran across some rookie cards of Terrell Davis and Jamal Anderson......remember how much the Terrell Davis Select Certified rookies were going for at one time? Do any of y'all think Terrell played long enough and well enough to justify a hall of fame induction?

- Joe


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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭
    I think I would say no to Terrell Davis judging by his stats. The number 20 all time leading rusher is Terry Allen with 8455 yards. Terrell has 848 less. Although he had some great years '96-'98 and two rings I still would say no.


    Terrell's stats
    Rushing 1655 7607

    Receiving 169 1280

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  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    I would guess McDonalds, Wendys, Taco Bell and Enis moving up in the world and getting a job at Applebees.

    TD was a great player who had an unfortunate injury. I think he will be in the Hall of Very Good, but not the Hall of Fame. He falls into the Brian Piccolo category who was great but their career was cut short. He may not be enshrined, but will always be remembered.
  • kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
    That was really a horrible draft year. Too many busts at QB. Those players are out of pro football to my knowledge.

    No HOF for TD or Jamal Anderson. It's not 1999 anymore.
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  • bhl2359bhl2359 Posts: 420 ✭


    << <i>I would guess McDonalds, Wendys, Taco Bell and Enis moving up in the world and getting a job at Applebees.

    TD was a great player who had an unfortunate injury. I think he will be in the Hall of Very Good, but not the Hall of Fame. He falls into the Brian Piccolo category who was great but their career was cut short. He may not be enshrined, but will always be remembered. >>



    When was Brian Piccolo great? Do you mean the Gale Sayers category? A much better comparison, in my opinion. If it wasn't for the TV movie, would anyone still remember Brian Piccolo?

    Piccolo's stats:
    +--------------------------+-------------------------+
    | Rushing | Receiving |
    +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
    | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
    +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
    | 1966 chi | 14 | 3 12 4.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
    | 1967 chi | 14 | 87 317 3.6 0 | 13 103 7.9 0 |
    | 1968 chi | 14 | 123 450 3.7 2 | 28 291 10.4 0 |
    | 1969 chi | 9 | 45 148 3.3 2 | 17 143 8.4 1 |
    +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
    | TOTAL | 51 | 258 927 3.6 4 | 58 537 9.3 1 |
    +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

    Sayers' stats:
    +--------------------------+-------------------------+
    | Rushing | Receiving |
    +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
    | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |
    +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
    | 1965 chi | 14 | 166 867 5.2 14 | 29 507 17.5 6 |
    | 1966 chi | 14 | 229 1231 5.4 8 | 34 447 13.1 2 |
    | 1967 chi | 13 | 186 880 4.7 7 | 16 126 7.9 1 |
    | 1968 chi | 9 | 138 856 6.2 2 | 15 117 7.8 0 |
    | 1969 chi | 14 | 236 1032 4.4 8 | 17 116 6.8 0 |
    | 1970 chi | 2 | 23 52 2.3 0 | 1 -6 -6.0 0 |
    | 1971 chi | 2 | 13 38 2.9 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |
    +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
    | TOTAL | 68 | 991 4956 5.0 39 | 112 1307 11.7 9 |
    +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+


  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Gale Sayers got in, then TD has a shot. Terrell was in the top 3 in every season rushing stat he was healthy.
    Mike
  • SouthsiderSouthsider Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭
    I think the only way to truly judge Sayers accomplishments is in the context of when he played. He simply had the most amazing 5 year run of any RB in the history of the game. There is a reason people are saying Reggie Bush is the next Gale Sayers. He was that mind-boggling good.



    Here are some facts for context:

    *
    In Sayers' rookie season, he gained 2,272 combined net yards and scored a record 22 touchdowns. A year later, he increased his combined net yards to a record 2,440 yards and led the NFL in rushing with 1,231 yards. Keep in mind, this was in 14 game seasons.

    *
    On December 12, Sayers scored a record-tying six touchdowns as the Bears beat the San Francisco 49ers, 61-20. His TDs came on an 80-yard pass reception, rushes of 21, 7, 50, and 1 yards, and an 85-yard punt return. For the day, Sayers amassed 336 combined yards.

    *
    Sayers totaled 9,435 combined net yards, 4,956 yards rushing and he scored 336 points. He still ranks as the NFL career leader in kickoff returns. He was named all-NFL five straight years from 1965 to 1969 and he played in four Pro Bowls. In three of them, he won Offensive Player of the Game honors!
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭✭
    The Terrell Davis-Gale Sayers comparison is a fair one, although Gale Sayers is extremely overrated. He may have been amazingly talented, *BUT* stats are what matters when you're talking about all-time greats and Hall-of-Famers. Sayers only led the league in rushing twice, played a mere four full seasons and almost a fifth, and amassed an extremely unimpressive (for a HOF'er) 4,956 career yards on the ground.

    The football Hall of Fame is so political it makes me sick. All of the Hall of Fames are though, so football is no different. I can think of so many players who are enshrined in Canton and held in amazingly high regard for who knows what reason. Sayers, Hornung, Swann and Aikman to name a few. Then you have someone like Monk, or until this year Carson, who can't get in. Such BS.

    And just a little note on five (or 6) year stretches of dominance. Jim Brown led the league in rushing five out of six years between 1960 and 1965. Now THAT is dominant.
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  • ironrangerironranger Posts: 167 ✭✭
    shagrotn77, I disagree. The HOF should be special players. Sayers clearly was and Art Monk was not. Monk was a very good player who had a long and productive career. But he was never a dominant player -- how may pro-bowls did he get elected to and how many times was he all-pro? Sayers was the most feared offensive player of his day. Can you honestly say that Monk was a feared player? Per Peter King of Sports Illustrated, in most years, Monk has not even considered the Reskins best offensive player.

    In my opinion, what hurts the chance for Terrell Davis to get in the HOF is the thinking that other backs could have had simlar success with the Broncos. It seems that no matter who the Broncos have at RB, they put up great stats.

  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭✭
    Ironranger, consider this...

    Since Davis and Sayers played in different eras (one with 14 game schedules and the other with 16) I will show this comparison:

    From 1965 to 1969, Sayers rushed for 4,866 yards in 76 games for an average of 76 per.

    From 1995 to 1998, Davis rushed for 6,413 yards in 105 games for an average of 105 per.

    For their careers, Davis out-rushed Sayers 93-72 per game. Also a big difference. I think the best way to compare backs of different eras is yards rushing per game, and Davis blows Sayers out of the water.

    So I ask, if Gale Sayers only ran for 72 yards per game for his career, and 76 per in his prime, why is he held in such almighty regard - and why is he considered soooo much better than Terrell Davis?
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    I was talking about Sayers- but typed Piccolo. Sorry
  • bhl2359bhl2359 Posts: 420 ✭


    << <i>I was talking about Sayers- but typed Piccolo. Sorry >>


    I forgive you.
  • JasP24JasP24 Posts: 4,645 ✭✭✭
    Terrell Davis vs. Gale Sayers

    Davis----
    81 games played
    7,607 rush yds
    1,280 rec yds
    65 TDs
    Seasons in NFL Top 5 rush yds-3
    Seasons in NFL Top 5 rush TDs-3
    3 Pro Bowls
    2 Super Bowls
    1 Super Bowl MVP Award

    Sayers----
    68 games played
    4,956 rush yds
    1,307 rec yds
    48 TDs
    Seasons in NFL Top 5 rush yds-5
    Seasons in NFL Top 5 rush TDs-4
    4 Pro Bowls
    0 Super bowls

    I think the biggest difference and why Sayers is much more highly regarded was the style in which he played....Curtis Martin has more yds than Jim Brown, but I don't think anyone would mention those 2 in the same conversation. Simply because of the way Jim Brown played...Gale Sayers was the Barry Sanders of his time..He had the WOW factor everytime he touched the ball...Davis was much more like say an Emmitt Smith (minus the durability)..He played on excellent teams, wasa good runner, but nothing spectacular..Most of the yardage was gotten between the tackles...Barry and Sayers were players who were human highlight reels.
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  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    I absolutely think TD should be in the HOF. His career was cut short but a knee injury and anyone who watched TD play will tell you he WAS headed to the HOF if he could've play a year or two more. He was the main reason the Broncos won two championships. Just ask John Elway and Bronco fans.

    If there was nobody in the HOF with just 5-6 years playtime, I would argue TD deserves to be the first enshrined. With Sayers already in the Hall, I don't see how anybody can tell me Sayers was a better player. From 1995 to 1998, TD was as good as you can get.

    In 1997 and 1998, He won the Super Bowl MVP, joined the elite 2,000 yards rushing in a year club, won the league MVP and won TWO Super Bowls. I just don't see how someone can shrug those years off.



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  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,141 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Terrell Davis will eventually get in. It may take several years, but eventually there will be a weak enough field of candidates from him to stick out. I think the Super Bowl performances will put him over. At the time of the injury everyone thought that TD would challenge the all-time rushing record. He was averaging 1600 yds and 14 TDs over his first four years, with the totals rising each year.

    That late 1990's Broncos teams only has few obvious candidates for the HOF, Elway and maybe Shannon Sharpe are locks. Rod Smith may not have high enough career totals and the only defensive player that may have a shot is Steve Atw*ter. Terrell will get elected in because all Super Bowl dynasties (2 in a row) have sent multiple guys to the Hall.

    Football HOF standards aren't as solid as the Baseball HOF. For example I think that two RBs with over 10,000 career yards will not get into the HOF (every other RB with over 9400 yds is either in or a lock): Ricky Watters and Ottis Anderson. As of today, I can see 4 of the top 10 all-time receving yards leaders not getting in: Henry Ellard, Andre Reed, Irving Fryar, and Art Monk. Stats are probably secondary to other accomplishments such as winning and style.

    I should probably start buying up his 1995 Select Mirror Gold rookies.
    Mike
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