Time to mortgage the house?

sandmanfromlv · February 9, 2006 7:37AM

Don't know if it's a scam or not, but man, what a card!

link

jrinck · February 9, 2006 7:49AM

Suspicous.

First, his feedback is way too low to be selling a card of this magnitude.

Second, pretty much everything he's sold up to now has been modern.

Looks like a case of feedback inflation to me.

If I had the $50K that this would go for, I'd demand some better credentials from the seller.

SDSportsFan · February 9, 2006 7:59AM

Low feedback
Bidders kept "Private"
Bad spelling/grammar
No Paypal
Address is a PO Box
Yadda Yadda.....

I'll stay away from it.

Steve

Allen · February 9, 2006 8:06AM

Give me half of the money you plan on bidding, I will kick you in the nuts and we will call it a day.

Bicem · February 9, 2006 8:31AM

Doesn't offer insurance? Looks like the old "it was lost in the mail - sorry" scam.

alinchitown · February 9, 2006 8:55AM

Send an e mail and ask if he would agree to an escrow company handling the transcation if you won

divecchia · February 9, 2006 9:13AM

Ask for a scan of the back.

Donato

softparade · February 9, 2006 9:15AM

<< Give me half of the money you plan on bidding, I will kick you in the nuts and we will call it a day. >>

too funny. Looks like a sweet card, but ...... it would suck to be a seller with the real goods and low feedback

lawnmowerman · February 9, 2006 9:44AM

Matt

Boopotts · February 9, 2006 10:04AM

<< Give me half of the money you plan on bidding, I will kick you in the nuts and we will call it a day. >>

This is definite post of the month material.

Boopotts · February 9, 2006 10:06AM

<< Don't know if it's a scam or not, but man, what a card!

link

>>

Email the guy and ask to see a scan of the back of the card. If it's legit--and of course it's not-- he should have no problem with that.

ctsoxfan · February 9, 2006 10:26AM

<< Give me half of the money you plan on bidding, I will kick you in the nuts and we will call it a day. >>

Perfect!

stevek · February 9, 2006 11:04AM

Has that stolen scan look about it. Seller probably bet Seattle in the Super Bowl and needs to scam somebody out of some quick cash to payoff the local bookie.

nhcardhunter · February 9, 2006 11:12AM

I'd say it's a scam. I don't know any reputable sellers that go with private id's. The scan is probably stolen or the user id has been hijacked. Stay away, very far away.

Best,

Jim

Mantlefan · February 9, 2006 11:29AM

Looks to good to be true.

WinPitcher · February 9, 2006 11:40AM

Powerseller.

<eyeroll>

IMO if the guy has this card it would have made much more sense for him to have a guy like LOUISbollman sell it for him. heck Louis can get 5700.00 for a 65 topps Oliva for god sakes. imagine what he could get for a 52 Mantle in 8?

In all seriousesness <sp> I have no idea but is this a guy I want to send 50k or better too?

Steve

JrMacdaddy · February 9, 2006 1:12PM

Look's ok. Take a chance. What's the worse that could happen?

ctsoxfan · February 9, 2006 3:04PM

You have to believe that any card of this magnitude is going to be sold by a high end auction house, or on consignment by a well known dealer. Not by a guy with less than 200 feedback, who wants to run a private auction.

ctsoxfan · February 9, 2006 3:06PM

And, by the way - look at what else he is selling besides the Mantle. Still want to bid?

nightcrawler · February 9, 2006 3:30PM

ebay should get rid of that "user id kept private" crap, and other features like private feedback. These things only really help the crooks.

divecchia · February 9, 2006 5:09PM

<< ebay should get rid of that "user id kept private" crap, and other features like private feedback. These things only really help the crooks. >>

If your honest you have nothing to hide.

Donato

jskirwin · February 9, 2006 11:15PM

It's only a matter of time before Ebay gets charged/hit by a lawsuit for its tacit support of fraud. Caveat Emptor might work for a flea market, but not a behemoth like Ebay - and especially if it has been notified that it is selling stolen goods or supporting a scam.

sandmanfromlv · February 10, 2006 1:12AM

not that I was ever planning on bidding for this (don't have a spare 50K or so laying around), but I did email the seller for a scan of the back and here it goes...

edit: file too big (over 50 k) ...anyone host it? PM me and I will email it to you...

WinPitcher · February 10, 2006 1:35AM

It is quite possible that this guy does in fact have this card. However, what sort of guarantee is this guy providing that the eventual winner gets the item? no paypal, no statement of allowing for it to be picked up in person at a bank or some other neutral site. jist too many red flags for me. The auction is for maybe the most sought after post war card and the way it is set up inspires ZERO confidence. The guy has to have heard about Mastro and the like?

I would bet that if we were able to track that cert it would be found in a collection on the registry. but then again ............

Steve

sandmanfromlv · February 10, 2006 2:17AM

I started searching for it last night, couldn't find it...could be legit (doubt it), I will email and ask if he will go escrow on it or not...

Here's my email:

Thanks a bunch Shawn...myself and a few associates are considering placing a bid on this and were wondering if you would be open to using a 3rd party escrow service (due to the fact of the value of such a card) to protect both you and us if we won it...

sandmanfromlv · February 10, 2006 9:37PM

over $41,000 right now...no answer to my email about a 3rd party....

sandmanfromlv · February 10, 2006 10:58PM

might be legit...he says he'll use escrow company if wanted...

Carew29 · February 10, 2006 11:28PM

Screw the escrow, i would fly my attorney out there to pick it up. That way if he doesn't have it, he can serve him at the same time.

divecchia · February 11, 2006 1:53AM

<< Don't know if it's a scam or not, but man, what a card!

link >>

Here is a scan of the back I received from the seller. Should this flip have a hologram on the right, if it were to match the front? I thought the flip with the rounded corners had the hologram on the back and the flip with the square corners has no hologram.

Let me know what you guys think. Donato

WinPitcher · February 11, 2006 1:57AM

Donato

I think you are right. Cards with that cert had the hologram.

Steve

jmbkb4 · February 11, 2006 2:08AM

And I don't think the back centering is consistent with the front's either.

WinPitcher · February 11, 2006 2:31AM

JM

The back centering does not need to match the fronts. I have seen many cards that do not. The front and back can be as different as nite and day.

with that said. How is this guy a power seller? I looked through some of his feedback and I did not see any hi priced items. Of course I did not look through every one. I did though see this interesting tidbit:

I GOT THE JORDAN ROOKIE!!!!BOUGHT THREE LOTS AND I GOT THE JORDAN!!!!THANK YOU!!
Buyer caballo1972 ( 81)
no longer a registered user Dec-21-05 21:27 Private

Seems in a dutch type auction he Uh hemm sold a Jordan rookie.

Steve

I think if I was bidding on this item and won, i would demand to pick it up in person at a bank. I would fly to meet this seller.

divecchia · February 11, 2006 2:49AM

Steve...

I'm ashamed to say I don't have too many PSA cards, but I checked the ones I do and all three that had the rounded corners had the hologram. Ther other 10 PSA cards with the square corners had no hologram. If someone has more PSA cards that they can check we will see that these pictures are 2 different cards. IMHO.

Donato

pandrews · February 11, 2006 2:56AM

the front and back are definitely 2 different holders..

WinPitcher · February 11, 2006 3:18AM

Perry i agree with you.

Donato You are correct. All my cards (around 30 of them) have the hologram when in a slab like the mantle front.

Steve

nightcrawler · February 11, 2006 3:30AM

<< the front and back are definitely 2 different holders.. >>

!!! That's absolutely right !!!

I have 4 rounded corner PSAs with holo, and 3 with square corners no holo.

This guy is really starting to smell funny

Allen · February 11, 2006 3:30AM

What can you say- he tried.

bxb · February 11, 2006 4:01AM

I smell a rat.

The scan of the back is clearly a different card. In fact, the card is a different size than the front! Look closely, side by side, the second card is smaller.

The hologram is missing on back.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't collect the 1952 set, but the ones I have, the back is red or black ink superimposed on a gray cardboard color. The card pictured has a white background, like various reprints that are around.

I wonder who really owns this card, if not a registry set member - clearly the seller doesn't.

bsfastball · February 11, 2006 4:05AM

The back of the card is a reprint. The back of the card is in a standard size holder (you can tell by the space between the edge of the holder and the edge of the card, there is no space in the scan of the front of the card).

WinPitcher · February 11, 2006 4:59AM

Good eye guys!

Sandman email him and ask him why he sent you a scan of a reprint.

Steve

stevek · February 11, 2006 7:29AM

<<< Here is a scan of the back I received from the seller. Should this flip have a hologram on the right, if it were to match the front? I thought the flip with the rounded corners had the hologram on the back and the flip with the square corners has no hologram. >>>

Nice work!

phreakydancin · February 11, 2006 7:47AM

Total scam. The front and back scans show the holder is the same size but the card is not. The back scan is proabably a Photoshop job, as the holder is for a standard 2.5 X 3.5 inch card, not the oversized '52 Topps size.

divecchia · February 11, 2006 7:51AM

I reported it to eBay. Maybe they can do something about it.

Donato

damnyankees · February 11, 2006 9:20AM

Look at the bottom right corner of the slab..it's a stolen photo or scan.My wife and I sold some Disney serigraphs last year and couldn't get a decent picture so we searched the web and found the same one's we were looking for and they all had that symbol at the bottom right hand corner.That photo didn't come from his scanner!!

WinPitcher · February 11, 2006 9:43AM

That symbol at the bottom RHC is on my ebay auctions too. I assume that when you use ebay's picture system that goes on automatically. Not sure what happens if you host your own pics.

The reverse that the guy sent though proves that he is a sammer or an idiot or both.

Steve

ctsoxfan · February 11, 2006 9:45AM

Yes, that's right...the camera icon just shows that it is an Ebay hosted image. The back scan, though, is not from the same card / holder.

Good while it lasted!

divecchia · February 11, 2006 10:00AM

<< That symbol at the bottom RHC is on my ebay auctions too. I assume that when you use ebay's picture system that goes on automatically. Not sure what happens if you host your own pics.

The reverse that the guy sent though proves that he is a sammer or an idiot or both.

Steve >>

He replied back to me insisting it is real and he has it. Here I took the 2 pictures made them exactly the same size and lined up the flips showing that they are the same and partially superimposed the 2 and you can see it is 2 different holders along with the wrong reverse flip with the missing hologram.

Donato

pandrews · February 11, 2006 10:03AM

give him a link to this thread..

sandmanfromlv · February 11, 2006 11:02AM

one question though, why would he allow an escrow service if there was any chance of it being fake? Is he hoping that the winning bidder (if you had 50K to spend on one card, I would THINK you would be smart enough to use a 3rd party) won't even think of it?

like i said, I don't even have anything remotely close in disposable income to throw 50K at a card, but if it is real, it is a rarity on eBay as most of the high end Mantles are in registry sets or private collections that have very little intent on being sold, but I guess that raises the question of how does this guy (who primarily deals in low end stuff) have it?

I guess we'll wait and see after the auction how it goes as far as feedback....

kingraider75 · February 11, 2006 11:32AM

Even if the auction was legit, I couldn't afford it.

The part that worries me the most is the lack of paypal as a payment method.

ctsoxfan · February 11, 2006 12:09PM

I don't know if that's even an issue - would you really pay for a 50K card with PayPal, anyway?

More of concern is that fact that he sells $1.00 cards, and only a few of them, and now all of a sudden has this. Plus, private auction.

Time to mortgage the house?

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