Is Favre a Hall of Famer? I say no . . . . . (Warning . . . this is a SPOOF thread!!)
Coinhusker1
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His crappy 2005 season negates his entire career!! 
Axtell, you'll back me up here, right?
Axtell, you'll back me up here, right?
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<< <i>His crappy 2005 season negates his entire career!!
Axtell, you'll back me up here, right?
Unlike Bettis, Favre dominated the league (hello! MVP awards! hello! 2nd to marino all time in pass completions, pass yards, and TDs).
unlike bettis, who never dominated and held on for 6 more stat padding years, Favre dominated.
he is a first ballot hall of famer. but he just throws way to many INT's that actually effect the game for me to put him in the top 5 qb's of all time.
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Unlike Bettis, Favre dominated the league (hello! MVP awards! hello! 2nd to marino all time in pass completions, pass yards, and TDs).
unlike bettis, who never dominated and held on for 6 more stat padding years, Favre dominated. >>
I guess if you lead the league in a few statistical categories a few centuries ago, it gives you Axtell's approval to hang around and continue to pile up stats.
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Unlike Bettis, Favre dominated the league (hello! MVP awards! hello! 2nd to marino all time in pass completions, pass yards, and TDs).
unlike bettis, who never dominated and held on for 6 more stat padding years, Favre dominated. >>
I guess if you lead the league in a few statistical categories a few centuries ago, it gives you Axtell's approval to hang around and continue to pile up stats. >>
Are you that ignorant, or are you just DUMB? You are comparing an all-time great in Favre to a mediocre, stat padding part-time back in Bettis (who never dominated any area of the running back position).
I'll count for you simpletons the differences:
Favre:
Last year (not 6 years ago, mind you clowns), he put up a 92.4 passer rating, threw over 4000 yards and 30 TDs. He's been to the pro bowl 8 times. Three MVPs (the ONLY player to do so). Favre, the day after his father passes away, puts up one of the most memorable monday night football games EVER. Currently holds the following records:
Most seasons with 30+ TDs, 8
Most consecutive seasons 20+ TDs, 12
Most consecutive 3,000+ yard seasons, 14
Most consecutive starts, QB 221 (241 w/playoffs)
As I mentioned above, he's second to Marino in all-time TDs, completions, and yards. One other second, he has the second all time BEST winning percentage (139-82, Elway is first).
Bettis:
6 time pro bowler, last 1000+ yard rushing season was 2001, 5th all time leading rusher, 8th all time rushing TDs. Topped 10 rushing TDs just twice in his career, never led the league in rushing yards, never led the league in rushing TDs, been a top 10 back in rushing yards just once since 1998 (he was 9th in 2000). Has just 5 top 10 rushing yard finishes in his 13 years (2 9th, 2 3rd, 1 2nd), just 4 top 10 rushing TDs in his 13 years (a 10th, a 9th, a 6th, and a 4th).
Bettis is the epitome of the player who sticks around, and is seen as a 'hero' for taking a lesser role...he HAD to take a lesser role to sandbag those stats. Sure, he's a nice enough guy, but he's a total and complete sandbagger.
Favre, on the other hand, still passed for nearly 4000 yards this year, still completed over 60% of his passes, even with his top flight WR going down and top 2 RBs going down.
Favre can still play, Bettis was never a dominant player, and stopped being relevant to the discussion of good running backs 8 years ago. Comparing the two is complete lunacy.
<< <i>Geez, do I have to put "SPOOF THREAD" in the title??
I knew whatcha meant, just gemint needed to have his mouth shut for him.
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<< <i>Geez, do I have to put "SPOOF THREAD" in the title??
I knew whatcha meant, just gemint needed to have his mouth shut for him. >>
Title edited for the rest of y'all
<< <i>Geez, do I have to put "SPOOF THREAD" in the title??
Um, you think I was being serious? Get real. Favre is a definite first ballot HOFer. However, he didn't come back this year to win a championship. He has nothing left to prove and should have bowed out after last season. If he comes back next year, it will start to get embarrassing.
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<< <i>Geez, do I have to put "SPOOF THREAD" in the title??
Um, you think I was being serious? Get real. Favre is a definite first ballot HOFer. However, he didn't come back this year to win a championship. He has nothing left to prove and should have bowed out after last season. If he comes back next year, it will start to get embarrassing. >>
Well you also think Bettis is a first ballot HoFer.
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<< <i>Geez, do I have to put "SPOOF THREAD" in the title??
Um, you think I was being serious? Get real. Favre is a definite first ballot HOFer. However, he didn't come back this year to win a championship. He has nothing left to prove and should have bowed out after last season. If he comes back next year, it will start to get embarrassing. >>
Well you also think Bettis is a first ballot HoFer. >>
He'll definitely be a HOFer and likely a first ballot HOFer. A lot will depend on who else in on the ballot when he's eligible. Most sports writers agree he'll be a HOFer according to their public comments.
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He'll definitely be a HOFer and likely a first ballot HOFer. A lot will depend on who else in on the ballot when he's eligible. Most sports writers agree he'll be a HOFer according to their public comments. >>
Yes, because they know best, right? I mean, they're right in keeping Michael Irvin out, right?
Pathetic.
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He'll definitely be a HOFer and likely a first ballot HOFer. A lot will depend on who else in on the ballot when he's eligible. Most sports writers agree he'll be a HOFer according to their public comments. >>
Yes, because they know best, right? I mean, they're right in keeping Michael Irvin out, right?
Pathetic. >>
No. Apparently you know best. So from now on, you will be solely responsible for selecting HOFers. Even though you haven't provided your actual criteria yet for excluding Bettis from the top 50 backs. I'm still waiting for your thesis on how to calculate the quality of a career.
He never dominated the league (was top 5 in rushing yards just three times, and never led)
He (obviously) never dominated for a period of time.
He's the picture of an athlete hanging on to compile stats.
To be a HoF, you should be the best of the best; not someone who was good for a few years. Bettis is the Fred McGriff of the NFL. neither one dominated, neither one should be in the hall, but both put up a ton of long time numbers.
<< <i>I have stated time and again why bettis isn't a HoFer.
He never dominated the league (was top 5 in rushing yards just three times, and never led)
He (obviously) never dominated for a period of time.
He's the picture of an athlete hanging on to compile stats.
To be a HoF, you should be the best of the best; not someone who was good for a few years. Bettis is the Fred McGriff of the NFL. neither one dominated, neither one should be in the hall, but both put up a ton of long time numbers. >>
I'm still waiting for you to show how he isn't a top 50 all-time back. Apparently you have some means of evaluating this. Show me how you calculate "dominance".
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I'm still waiting for you to show how he isn't a top 50 all-time back. Apparently you have some means of evaluating this. Show me how you calculate "dominance". >>
I want a player (RB, QB, it doesn't matter) who dominated for a period of many years. Favre dominated his position for years. Jim Brown dominated his position for years. Irvin dominated his position for years.
Bettis NEVER dominated. As I have stated, he was able to get top 5 in rushing yards just three times in 13 years, and never led. Never got better than 4th in rushing TDs. How hard is it to figure out that Bettis was never the playmaker on the field? He was never the reason his teams won, he was never a RB to strap a team to his back and will them to win.
How hard is it to look at his career and see he never was a dominant back? are your black and gold blinders that big?
2).That all-time rushing yardage list by no means should be the determination on who is a better running back...for a few reasons:
-----A. Not all players got to play their entire career with a 16 game schedule. The implications of that should be obvious.
-----B. Previous eras had rules that leaned more towards the defensive side of the game, as opposed to Bettis's time where all rule changes help the offense move the ball. The implications of that should be obvious as well.
-----C. Total rushing yards by a running back isn't the entire equation. Receiving yardage plays a large role as well. As does blocking of course.
-----D. Then being a compiler as opposed to a dominator also plays an unfair role. That is a longer topic that can be discussed later.
3). Being that the list provided contains appx 18-23 running backs who were better than Bettis AND being that almost all those better guys played in the Super Bowl era (1966-now), that puts Jerome Bettis as approximately the 20th best running back in the last 40 years. What does that mean?
-----A. How would one view the 20th best First Basemen from 1966 to now? How would one view the 20th best Basketbal Center from 1966 - now? THose answers should be obvious. Heck, the 20th best First Basemen of ALL TIME isn't even viewed as a Hall of Famer, and that goes back far longer than the time period we are talking about.
-----B. Contemporaries of Bettis who are/will be better than him include, Emmitt, Sanders, Martin, Faulk, T. Thomas, E. James, T. Barber, Priest Holmes, S. Alexander, Terrell Davis, and L.T. That is ELEVEN guys. Maybe one or two may not be, but Ricky Williams, Clinton Portis, and Corey Dillon may take their place anyway. So it will reasonably be that Bettis is the 12th best back of his contemporaries.
4) Bettis's best finsihes in all purpose yards are 3rd, 4th, and 4th. He had three all-pro caliber years, one of which close to MVP caliber year. The rest were either ho-hum or below average.
------A. Thousand yard seasons? A thousand yards is nothing special in a 16 game schedule. 1,250 yards is the benchmark for a 16 game schedule, not 1,000. He did that four times. Was within a 100 yards of that only one other time. And it wasn't as if he was getting receiving yards those years to make up the difference. It isn't like his yards per carry were out of this world either.
------B. TOUCHDOWNS. The RBI of Running backs! Very teammate dependant. Bettis's years where he had lack of touchdowns was primarily due to lack of good touchdown opportunitites. He was an accomplished short yardage back, and unless somebody could show that he wasn't able to punch it in from the one yard line an inordinate amount of times those years, then I would chalk that up to his team simply not being in that position very often.
5) Conclusion: People will still stare at his high ranking on that list because it is the simple thing to do. Before you do that, imagine the list if ALL RB's of all time played under the circumstaces of Points 1a, and 1b of this post? Then addd the receving yardage factor too. You would get a different view for sure.....or just wait 20 more years when he gets swallowed up on that list from guys playing in the same era. As for the Hall of Fame? If somebody wishes to put the 12th best RB among his contemporaries into the hall of fame, then that is their choice. But to be fair, the 12th best backs of all era's have a rightful claim too. Canton may get to be a crowded place.
<< <i>I agree - Brett Favre will never be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. >>
Alright!! That's the spirit!!