Opinion on card fraud...
TripleCrown
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I'm trying to decide if I should pursue an eBay seller about some fake T206's he was selling. He is a antique /coin dealer on eBay (no names yet) who cloaked these 2 cards in the "if these are genuine" wording. Of course he had a no return policy. It was an auction I had to move fast on as I found it with only a few minutes before closing. All I could do was check his feedback rating (which was really good) and toss a bid in.
Upon arrival I noticed the browned backs of the cards had some lighter scratching on the bottoms of the cards. I looked at them under the loupe and found that the CCC Reprint 1986 had been scratched off.
Some of it was still visible. I contacted the seller expressing my dislike for fraud, and that though he did cover his ass with the "if they are genuine" line, as an antique/coin dealer I find it hard to believe he didn't inspect them closely to make sure he wasn't selling something valuable.
He offered to refund my money ironically but has shined me on since. So the million dollar question is...
Do I go to war with this guy over $40.00, drop a "feedback bomb" on him, and risk my 100% feedback etc..
OR do I lick my wounds and take the loss?????
Upon arrival I noticed the browned backs of the cards had some lighter scratching on the bottoms of the cards. I looked at them under the loupe and found that the CCC Reprint 1986 had been scratched off.
Some of it was still visible. I contacted the seller expressing my dislike for fraud, and that though he did cover his ass with the "if they are genuine" line, as an antique/coin dealer I find it hard to believe he didn't inspect them closely to make sure he wasn't selling something valuable.
He offered to refund my money ironically but has shined me on since. So the million dollar question is...
Do I go to war with this guy over $40.00, drop a "feedback bomb" on him, and risk my 100% feedback etc..
OR do I lick my wounds and take the loss?????
For the love of the game
And the cards that go with it
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Of course he absolutely knew these cards weren't genuine. These antique dealers, pretending that they don't know cards or what they are selling, I think are some of the biggest phonies on ebay.
As to what to do, you can get a million opinions but it's up to you.
If it seems too good to be true.......it usually is...too good to be true....
The seller on the other hand was in violation of EBAY policy selling something by using the "if these are genuine" and selling something he knew was not genuine.
The best thing for you to do if you do not get refund is to provide a link and allow this board to bad mouth the seller.
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What do you mean? "shined" did you send them back?
Steve
My advice is let it go. Get your money back and move on. My experience is that these battles don't result in any winners, and you lose a lot of inner peace in the process.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I've never tried this but I have thought about ways to lash out because this problem has happened to me with a couple of c56 Art Ross's.
What I'm talking about is...........feedback is only available for 90 days after the auction ends. So what if a guy waited til the last second to deliver the negative. These ripoff guys deserve it, if it would work. The idea is that they would not be able to retaliate.
Seems a little backstabish but these ripoff guys deserve much worse .
<< <i>eedback is only available for 90 days after the auction ends >>
Not true. If you're trying to snipe a neg into someone in the belief they can't retaliate after 90 days you're mistaken. It can and has been done.
On this one I'd neg the guy if he doesn't make good. So what if you get one back, anyone can look at the feedback and see it for what it is. I don't even count those kind of negs when I see them- more a badge of honor sometimes.
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<< <i>Do I go to war with this guy over $40.00 >>
You know to me it's not about the money but rather about the integrity of the hobby. If collectors don't choose to report these types of blatant rip offs to each other via feedback, discussion boards etc... Then what is the sense in having these tools at our disposal.
If your worried about FB retailation I think your wrong, if he negs you back it would be pretty obvious to anyone looking at your FB that it was exactly that, retaliation for a well deserved neg that was given.
Buyers not choosing to tell the truth about transactions are empowering theives to rip others off.
For the love of the game
And the cards that go with it
<< <i>evidently my email to him last night threatening to report his "fraud" to eBay by Wednesday if I did not hear from him, and to drop a f**king "Feedback Bomb" on him got him moving fast. >>
Good for you.
Donato
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<< <i>The seller on the other hand was in violation of EBAY policy selling something by using the "if these are genuine" and selling something he knew was not genuine. >>
This a key point, one that needs to be highlighted again. Sellers on Ebay can't disclaim responsibility for the authenticity of an item. Any listing that says "I don't know if this is real or not, so I'm selling it as a reprint", etc, is violating the rules and should be reported. And then avoided
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