Man this is annoying
EagleEyeKid
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Do not email me to tell me this crap....here's a copy.
>>Hi Bryan,thank-you for your winning bid and payment,your card >>has been
>>mailled,I usually leave feedback once I know the winning >>bidder/purchaser
>>has received their item(s) and are pleased and have possibly >>already left
>>feedback for me!
>>Thanks Again,
>>Kevin (Thundersticks666)
Here's my response:
>>Thx for letting me know so I won't bid on future auctions of yours.
>>I think it's bogus when sellers do this. I did my part and paid >>immediately;
>>I think you should do yours. Regards.
>>Hi Bryan,thank-you for your winning bid and payment,your card >>has been
>>mailled,I usually leave feedback once I know the winning >>bidder/purchaser
>>has received their item(s) and are pleased and have possibly >>already left
>>feedback for me!
>>Thanks Again,
>>Kevin (Thundersticks666)
Here's my response:
>>Thx for letting me know so I won't bid on future auctions of yours.
>>I think it's bogus when sellers do this. I did my part and paid >>immediately;
>>I think you should do yours. Regards.
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<< <i>Do not email me to tell me this crap....here's a copy.
>>Hi Bryan,thank-you for your winning bid and payment,your card >>has been
>>mailled,I usually leave feedback once I know the winning >>bidder/purchaser
>>has received their item(s) and are pleased and have possibly >>already left
>>feedback for me!
>>Thanks Again,
>>Kevin (Thundersticks666)
Here's my response:
>>Thx for letting me know so I won't bid on future auctions of yours.
>>I think it's bogus when sellers do this. I did my part and paid >>immediately;
>>I think you should do yours. Regards. >>
I agree with you. Many sellers out there are WEAK, and the feedback means a hell of a lot more to a seller than a buyer.
I have been waiting until about a week after auctions end and then leave feedback to all who have paid. I wait a week because the cards have gone out and I think the buyer is more apt to leave feedback if they get it when the card is in hand, or arrives within a day or two of getting the feedback.
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As a seller my policy is to always leave feedback as soon as payment is received/clears. As a buyer i won't leave any until the seller does first as i did my part.
So I play chicken with feedback. I suppose once the person pays, there isn't anything else for them to do. However, the new norm seems to be sellers waiting for positive feedback before they leave it.
I got sick of leaving people feedback for people, and then not receiving any myself. Now that I have a good feedback score and tally, I don't worry about it too much. If the person wants positive feedback, they will leave it for me.
So I agree with what the seller did, just not his methods.
For the love of the game
And the cards that go with it
Maybe if ebay was more consciencious about unwarranted negatives, poor sellers, etc. then there wouldnt be such a problem with this, but they arent and it probably will just get worse since they are making a motherload of $$$ off us on both ends.
-- Yogi Berra
Bob
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<< <i>I almost started a thread about feedback this week. I had 10 auctions end this week and after busting my butt getting all these things together and to the usps, only two have left me any feedback. And this is after I have already left them positive feedback. It almost made me want to send an e-mail to these folks about E-bay etiquette.I go out of my way to please the winners of my auctions, I think twice this week I actually spent more on shipping than was actually charged in the auction, but I wanted them to have thier packages as soon as possible, so I sent it first class. I could have just as easily sent it parcel post and kept the change. >>
This is a big, big world and many are not schooled in ebay etiquette. I've gotten positive feedback months after the completion of the deal because lots of folks don't give a rats ass about feedback and post whenever they feel like it. Some never feel like it. That's their perogative.
My only gripe is hostage-held feedback. There is absolutely no justification for that, especially if the seller sees that the buyer is a respected member of the ebay community. However, if I refused to bid with these kinds of sellers, I would rapidly run out of sellers.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
First, as a Paypal buyer you can do a chargeback. There are sellers who won't take Paypal because they've been burned by the fact that Paypal protects buyers WAY more than sellers.
Second, sellers risk more in a transaction than a buyer. Although a seller can prevent a buyer with alot of negs from bidding on his stuff, the truth is that a ding or two isn't going to make him ban a buyer from his auction. However, buyers will reflect a seller's feedback in their bids. As a buyer I avoid sellers with too many negs, or if I don't I bid low.
So negs hurt a seller in his wallet - which is exactly the way it should be. Negs only hurt buyers if they get banned from an auction.
Third, have you ever heard of a seller negging a buyer after he received pos feedback from the buyer? It doesn't make sense: to do so would mean that you are making your market smaller. However I have heard numerous times from sellers about buyers who dinged sellers for spurious reasons. If a buyer has a problem with an exchange s/he should have to at least communicate with the seller first before leaving neg feedback.
I buy as well as sell on Ebay. As a buyer I have no problem leaving feedback once I receive an item and am satisfied. As a seller I know the transaction is complete when I get feedback from a buyer, and therefore do my feedback then.
I don't get it. Why is this such a big deal anyway? Feedback is only a big deal when you are starting out as a seller. Once you've got some pos feedback under your belt, so what? I try to be honest with my descriptions, post big photos, and ship quickly. I do it as a habit more than a need for pos feedback.
For the love of the game
And the cards that go with it
<< <i>Hate to rain on the parade here...
First, as a Paypal buyer you can do a chargeback. There are sellers who won't take Paypal because they've been burned by the fact that Paypal protects buyers WAY more than sellers.
Second, sellers risk more in a transaction than a buyer. Although a seller can prevent a buyer with alot of negs from bidding on his stuff, the truth is that a ding or two isn't going to make him ban a buyer from his auction. However, buyers will reflect a seller's feedback in their bids. As a buyer I avoid sellers with too many negs, or if I don't I bid low.
So negs hurt a seller in his wallet - which is exactly the way it should be. Negs only hurt buyers if they get banned from an auction.
Third, have you ever heard of a seller negging a buyer after he received pos feedback from the buyer? It doesn't make sense: to do so would mean that you are making your market smaller. However I have heard numerous times from sellers about buyers who dinged sellers for spurious reasons. If a buyer has a problem with an exchange s/he should have to at least communicate with the seller first before leaving neg feedback.
I buy as well as sell on Ebay. As a buyer I have no problem leaving feedback once I receive an item and am satisfied. As a seller I know the transaction is complete when I get feedback from a buyer, and therefore do my feedback then.
I don't get it. Why is this such a big deal anyway? Feedback is only a big deal when you are starting out as a seller. Once you've got some pos feedback under your belt, so what? I try to be honest with my descriptions, post big photos, and ship quickly. I do it as a habit more than a need for pos feedback. >>
I hear what you are saying - however, a seller can easily check feedback on a buyer and see if he is someone who might need his feedback withheld. 99.9% of us deserve immediate feedback for paying in a timely fashion; sellers can easily ascertain if posting positive feedback first might not be a good idea.
Why go to the trouble of composing and sending some unctuous email to try to coax buyer feedback first when it's much easier to ascertain from the buyer's record if he might be a troublesome buyer? I'm am much more prone to leave a seller positive feedback if he's left it for me.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I agree with you about the email. It's bad form if you ask me. I usually email after I send an item, but beyond that I like to stay out of people's hair.
As for "ascertain" a buyer's record. Then what? As a seller all I can do is cancel his bid OR let him through. A seller doesn't have other choices like bid lower on his products the way a buyer does. As such, what seller is going to block a buyer with anything but the worst records? Information is only useful if you can act upon it.
I think Ebay's policy made sense before Paypal. Think about it: before Paypal a buyer could lose his money and not get anything in return. Now Paypal protects the buyer while leaving the seller vulnerable. That's why so many sellers avoid Paypal (hard to do because you cut off a good chunk of your business) or drain their accounts after being paid - to avoid chargebacks.
When I buy, I use Paypal because I enjoy the protection. The least I can do is provide feedback to the seller - thereby notifying him that the transaction is closed and s/he doesn't have to worry about me ripping him/her off.
I can deal with sellers that do not if they leave a note with the item stating:
I hope you like the item, please email me if you do not. If you are satisfied please email or leave pos feedback. I will then know that the deal is ok by you and I will then leave feedback too.
i see nothing wrong with them doing that. I do though have a problem if they email me before I have the item or word it in a way where I feel it is being held hostage.
When that happens I just move on.
I fully understand the perception that the buyer is not through with a deal just by sending payment. The buyer is through once the item is rec. and is satisfied.
Steve
<< <i>I hear what you are saying - however, a seller can easily check feedback on a buyer and see if he is someone who might need his feedback withheld. 99.9% of us deserve immediate feedback for paying in a timely fash >>
Mark
Excellent point and exactly what I was thinking.
If I sold on ebay and was selling nice stuff - if the buyer paid immediately, via paypal and has a good FB record - why not leave immediate FB - they did their job.
mike
i'll get off of a soapbox. i leave feedback right away and wish everyone else would but that is unrealistic.
you'll never be sorry by doing the right thing.
<< <i>As for "ascertain" a buyer's record. Then what? As a seller all I can do is cancel his bid OR let him through. A seller doesn't have other choices like bid lower on his products the way a buyer does. As such, what seller is going to block a buyer with anything but the worst records? Information is only useful if you can act upon it. >>
I'm not talking about blocking or cancelling bids. At the conclusion of an auction, and upon receipt of payment, the seller can look at the feedback of the buyer and pretty well ascertain if the buyer is a troublemaker. Not always, of course, but, quite often, you can look at a buyer's feedback and know, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is a respectable member of the ebay community and need not be feared - unless, of course, you're trying to pull a fast one.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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<< <i>As for "ascertain" a buyer's record. Then what? As a seller all I can do is cancel his bid OR let him through. A seller doesn't have other choices like bid lower on his products the way a buyer does. As such, what seller is going to block a buyer with anything but the worst records? Information is only useful if you can act upon it. >>
I'm not talking about blocking or cancelling bids. At the conclusion of an auction, and upon receipt of payment, the seller can look at the feedback of the buyer and pretty well ascertain if the buyer is a troublemaker. Not always, of course, but, quite often, you can look at a buyer's feedback and know, without a shadow of a doubt, that he is a respectable member of the ebay community and need not be feared - unless, of course, you're trying to pull a fast one.
Again Mark
I agree and that's exactly what I was thinking previously - that simple.
If I were to buy something from you - just check the record of Stone193 - I don't have a high number but the rating and quality of purchases will give you the confidence to know what to do.
mike
dgf
Well now I know of 1 person. Congratulations 65Nova!
If it's any consolation I got dinged by a buyer who complained that it took too long for me to deliver an order over the Christmas holidays - after she waited a week to pay me.
Fact: There are a$$hats on this Earth.
Fact: 90% of people are not a$$hats, but the remaining 10% do their best to make up for their lack of numbers...
Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12
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Unlike my post count, the FB is low.
mike
The moral of the story is this: It's just fricking ebay....there are people starving in China (or South Central).
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
BTW-EBAY sent me a note that after 44 sales, I am "Over my limit" and that I need to update my credit card information. I thought this was fair enough but when I went to update it, they wanted me to agree to immediately pay all the final value fees to date (many on auctions that haven't even been paid for) and agree to them automatically billing me for any outstanding future balances. This seems pretty like a pretty heavy handed approach to a customer who has never had a dispute with them.
Regards,
Alan
Ok, I guess I am one of the few who doesn't leave feedback as soon as they are paid. However, one poster, earlier in the threard somewhere, said he mailed 10 items out and only received two feedback from the buyers. I have only had one buyer whine about my practices, but other than that no one else seems to care. I put in a note in my packages pretty much stating that I am going to play "chicken" with feedback. At least they know that I will leave them feedback.
<< <i>there are people starving in China (or South Central). >>
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