Super Bowl scoring info needed

NeilDowney

Hi Guys, I am in a friendly Superbowl pool with some co-workers. Like every pool, this one has a prize for the final score. It also has a smaller prize for the "almost score" which is the score just before the final score. In this Superbowl, I believe the "almost score" was 20-10. After the last Steelers touchdown, the score changed from 14-10 to 20-10. Then the game was stopped to go to commercials. Then the Steelers kicked the extra point which made the final score 21-10. Am I correct in my thinking that the "almost score" was 20-10? Let me know, Neil

kennylow

I don't know about the rules on your wager/game, but PATs are normally not counted in those type of things.

For example, there is a popular Prop wager offered every year in Las Vegas:
Will either team score three unanswered scores?

and the stipulation is always:
PATs do not count

So if your wager/game followed the same rules, then the "almost score" would be 14-10

NeilDowney

The thing here is that the rules don't state "a" score. They state "the" score. I believe that these are two different things. The offical score was in fact 20-10 just before it became 21-10. The score didn't jump from 14-10 to 21-10 without being 20-10 first. Neil

Fabfrank

Neil- I was in a pool that paid out for EVERY score change. I agree with you. Final score 21-10. Next to final score 20-10. This is very simple. If Steelers missed the extra pt, or went for 2 pt comversion and missed, the final would be 20-10. You cannot assume PAT's are automatic.

zef204

I don't think PAT's should count in anything like that. Also, it is a shame when people nitpick in friendly wagering amongst friends as there always seems to be loopholes that get exploited. I have encountered several in fantasy football leagues and it is never fun, which goes against the intention of the game, fun.

tkd7

My opinion is unless the rules specifically state that PATs count, I would say almost score is 14-10.

Fabfrank

My opinion is unless the rules specifically state that PATs count, I would say almost score is 14-10.

Tell your bookie PAT's don't count and see what he says. I agree that rules should be specified before hand, but if I was in this pool and people were saying PAT's didn't count, that would be the last time I paticipated in this "special" pool.

NeilDowney

Hi Guys, Here is a link from www.espn.com which shows the Superbowl play-by-play. It clearly shows the game score as being 20-10 before it became 21-10. Should this be enough proof? P.S. The prize for the "almost score" is $350. Well worth a little talk out. Neil

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=260205023

zef204

Neil, of course that's what the score says. In these type of pools I think protocol is not to include the PATS. I understand bookies and such use and know the values of PAT's, but unless it was explicitly stated in the rules to use them, I would think they don't count. I also respectfully don't think I will enter a pool or fantasy league with either you or FabFrank.

I think these are the type of loopholes that create rifts and ruin good natured wagering entertainment.


Neil, if you had the 14-10 would you be arguing the other side?

thefootballcardstore

Neil I think that PAT are considered a continuation of the touchdown, thus one score.
Time doesn't run off the clock and also, you still kick the PAT even if you scored the touchdown with no time on the clock.

On the otherhand, you could argue they treat them different because in OT they treat the touchdown and PAT as two scoring opportunities.
Since they scored the touch there is no need to kick the PAT.

Sounds weird betting on an almost score, hope it works out to your favor.

Fabfrank

Neil I think that PAT are considered a continuation of the touchdown, thus one score

So if the Steelers go for the extra pt and miss, the final score is 20-10. But the almost score could have been 21-10 because we consider the PAT to be a continuation of a TD, and since it missed it was almost the score???? I'm surprised that I'm in the minority here on this because it seems so clear cut. According to Neildowney the "almost score" according to his pools rules, is the score before the final score. That score was 20-10.

RayBShotz

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Yup !!

RayBShotz

NeilDowney

Hi Guys, I just got a call from the pool runner. He asked me if I was ok with spliting the prize with the other person. Although I do feel that I am correct in my info. That the score has to have been 20-10 before it became 21-10. I understand that most don't make it a point to look at the details as close as I do. Therefore, I understand why so many would not have so easily seen the finer points of this situation. I also understand that half of a prize is better than no prize at all. Half of a prize also keeps everyone as friends which is always a good thing. I feel that someone's honesty and understanding of the finer points of situations should not ever change no matter which side of the fence that person is on. Mine would not have changed even if I were the 14-10 guy. Neil