How bad will this qualifier hurt this Mantle card?

goose3

I've learned quite a bit in a short time here from you all and would appreciate your input on this card. Thanks

yawie99

I'm guessing the MC will hurt a lot - perhaps down to the level at which PSA 4-5's usually sell.

WinPitcher

Im thinking the yellow print dots on the red hurt it too.

the MC qualifier seems a tad harsh as some bottom border is present and the card is decently centered side by side. I agree with yawie though it will sell in the 5 range.

A nice card if one does not have to much into it though.


Steve

goose3

what is the price range of a "5"?

I generally just stick these on Ebay and start at .01c and let them fly!

eyebone

Goose:

The SMR on a PSA 5 is $200.

I am not certain what this will bring. There are others on here with much more expertise than I....perhaps they can wade in with some assistance.

Eyebone

sayheykid54

I think a miss-cut qualifier is far worse than an OC designation. It would drop the value approx. 2-3 grades.

ctsoxfan

The MC is definitely a worse fate than a card that is simply OC. From the looks of the scan though, PSA got it right. Mantle cards (and Mantle collectors) are amazing though - you could take a Mantle card, crumble it up into a cardboard ball, throw it out into the street, and then retrieve and unfold it - and someone will still buy it.

Point is - the color looks great, and I'd bet you get the upper end of a PSA 5 price when you sell this.

paleocards

A similar 1960 Mantle to yours (but OC not MC) closed on Jan. 15 for $351. Here's the auction. That same card (cert #02419922) sold on eBay on 11/30/05 for $276.

A761506

How would SGC grade that card since they do not use qualifiers?

MorrellMan

Goose
First let me say you have acquired and slabbed some incredibly nice cards.
IMHO, this isn't one of them.
I don't think this card can be pre-valued in terms of how many grades to drop it. The MC and the yellow dots put it pretty much in the area of who happens to be interested in it at the time of sale/auction. You might get lucky and you might not. The MC really is the most deadly of all qualifiers. I would guess that you would realize the most $$$ from a buyer looking to buy the holder and not the card.
Good luck.

goose3

Thanks Mark

what we do when we go thru some of them is to pick out ones that are obviously worth the holdering fees. MC or not, this card was worth the 13.00 investment of PSA to make it more saleable.

WinPitcher

MC (Miscut): MC (Miscut):
): Cards with a factory miscut, such as a diamond cut, or when another card's image is on the original card will be designated


I disagree that PSA got this one right.


On any other day this card could have received the OC qualifier.

I see no other part of any other card.

This card would sell for more with the OC qualifier then it will with the MC that is for sure. I would imagine with the corners this card has it would have received an ex 5 straight grade at best or perhaps even a vg/ex 4 at worst.

I agree though that slabbed it will be easier to sell as it is at the least authenticated as not trimmed.


Steve



Edited to add:

Not quite sure what the technical standard is for a card that is 98/2 to 100/0 T/B is on a NMT/MNT card it could possibly be a Good 2 grade and thus the 8 mc is a fair grade.


I just feel that it is OC and not mis cut.

goose3

the white border on this card DOES exist all the way around and there is no other color, like from another card, on any of the sides.

wolfbear

<< <i>I disagree that PSA got this one right.
On any other day this card could have received the OC qualifier.
I just feel that it is OC and not mis cut. >>



Steve - just guessing here, but the card's back could be miscut.

WinPitcher

Steve - just guessing here, but the card's back could be miscut.


Paul

I thought of that too, but the goose never mentioned that so i assume the back was ok.


Steve

goose3

the back looks ok but there is a VERY slight angle to the printing.

stevek

Of course, this MC card won't get anywhere's near what a straight PSA 8 would bring, but the card isn't "badly" miscut - you should still get a decent buck for it as the 1960 Mantle is a very popular card.

Stingray

Do not know if anyone mentioned this, but what is up with the black dots all in a row near the top of the picture that go across the top of the red picture and across the white boarder going right to left, the dots appear to turn to yellown in the bigger Mantle picture. The dots are visable to the right of mantles bat in the red background picture. Lucky this did not get a PD.

Stingray

MorrellMan

Sting - those dots are pretty common for this card; I wouldn't expect PSA to qualify a card for those dots. My card has it; unless the colors are perfectly aligned, they are present.

BTW, here's a miscut card from my '48 Swell set that shows white border all the way around as well:

packCollector

does it really matter ,the card is going to sell for the same with an oc or mc qualifier. buyers looking for cards in this price range are buying based on the cards appeal and not the technical aspects of the qualifier . imo

WinPitcher

does it really matter ,the card is going to sell for the same with an oc or mc qualifier

I think it matters.

I do agree with you that it will sell no matter what though.

MC sounds more harsh then OC IMO

And thus a card would sell for less with a MC then an OC qualifier (again MO)

Steve

goose3

so am I correct in reading into some of the statements here that PSA Goofed on this and should have called it OC?

is it worth calling them over?


Or is there someone to email that may look at it and render an opinion?


Thanks

WinPitcher

Goose.

I do not think they messed up.

the card is slightly diamond cut and that is why I think it got the grade and qualifier it did.


I see 98/2 to 100/0 t to b.

Like Duncan sez it really does not matter in the real world of things.


I just feel that in retrospect that an OC qualifier is less harsh then an MC.

with that said the card does not change.


you could email Joe and send him a scan, he is always open to us.

Steve

goose3

okay....

what is "Diamond Cut"???

and who is Joe?

WinPitcher

Goose

on the top do you notice the white border sorta slants a lil?

that is a diamond cut.


the bottom border (to me) appears to be 98/2 to 100/0


Joe is the President of PSA


Steve

The card is nice nontheless.

goose3

ok, thanks!

I notice it much more on the reverse.


it's a shame.

ok this 98/2 .....what does that mean?

98percent of the border on top and 2 on the bottom?

WinPitcher

YEP and if you notice on the right side of the card it appears to go to nothing

hence the 100/0


so the card IMO is centered 98/2 to 100/0 Top left to right to bottom.


Steve


It still is a nice card.

fiveniner

It truly appears to be a diamond cut which would qualify it as a miscut.
Am I correct on this but did PSA stop using the MISCUT qualifier lately as I sent 3 cards in to them and were non holdered due to them being miscut simaler to the 60 Mantle?This just occured 3wks ago or so.Can someone answer me on this?

Thanks 59er

goose3

fiveinniner...

I just got these back the day I posted this I believe. They were sent in for the Jan. Special

WinPitcher

fiveniner

Your cards may have been actually cut so that they do not fit in the holder.

The mantle was printed on a diagonal but cut square.


I forget what they call it when a card is cut on the diagonal.

Steve