What to do - BGS 8.5 comes back PSA trimmed

Counselor

What to do? Submitted a card in a BGS 8.5 holder for crossover hoping for a 9. PSA sends the card back noting evidence of trimming.
We bought the card on Ebay but don't see how the seller could be responsible since he/she sold a card graded by a reputable company. Should we contact Beckett? Will they do anything to correct their apparent error? And how do we contact Beckett? I checked the web page but did not see any "contact us" link. Or do we just deal with the card as a 8.5 because we have a "difference of opinion"? How does a layman know who is right when the heavyweights disagree?

And for the long term does this mean that you just can't trust a Beckett graded card - or could PSA be wrong on this? Sort of like two mechanics arguing about who really messed up your car.

Welcome any input and thanks in advance.

Bob

Stone193

Hi Bob

Have you got a good scan?

mike

RonBurgundy

Bob, look up Beckett's corporate office phone number, call them and ask for Jeremy Murray. Tell him the situation and report back. They should do something for you.

I have had him resolve a couple of issues for me.

FWIW, I currently have a BVG 7.5 Brooks Robinson rookie in my hands that has to be trimmed. Just waiting for the right time to approach them about that one.

yawie99

Not to sound harsh, but such are the perils of spinning the Wheel of Crack-and-Crossover/Resubmit. Who knows who's right, but I don't think you have any recourse with either company. I'd probably submit the card back to Beckett and hope it stays an 8.5. Actually, I'd probably not buy a BGS card in the first place - certainly not if my plan was to cross it to one of the other companies.

SDavid

I don't know if the card is trimmed, but I'd take any results you get from a crossover attempt with a huge grain of salt.

There have been plenty of stories on this board of people trying to crossover gai cards, having psa say the card is trimmed, and then the card was graded by psa after they cracked it out and resubmitted it.

The prevailing opinion here has been that the crossover service is a waste of money.

Treetop

Once you break a card out of the company’s holding, I would think you have no recourse with that company. Remember, no matter what you think, grading is not a science, just an opinion. I have played the crack and resubmit game and have been burned ………and rewarded.

mcholke

It sounds like you sent it over in the holder. I had a similar experience with a BVG 9. I sent it in for a crossover and it came back evidence of trimming. I cracked and resubmitted raw and it came back in a nice PSA 9 holder. If you are intent on the crossover you may give it a shot and crack it out.

yawie99

<< <i>The prevailing opinion here has been that the crossover service is a waste of money. >>



D'oh. I read the original post as if the card had been cracked out if its holder. Like I said, that's a total crapshoot. And like Treetop said, submitting a card in some other company's holder is often an exercise in futility. That's probably especially true for BGS, particularly on OPC issues. Bust it out and try again.

ndleo

As someone who got suckered into the crossover service when it started, I recommend the crack and resubmit method. IMHO, the crossover service is purely for PSA's benefit. I believe they use it to slam other holders.

The first time I used it, about half the cards (20 cards) came back not cross overed. However when I cracked and submitted, they all crossed over.

SDavid

I don't know the value of this card, but you could try taking it to a show and asking someone from gai or sgc to look it over to see if they think it's altered. If they say it's good, then you could feel more comfortable cracking it out.

Stone193

Am I alone? Or is this whole thing starting to get a bit depressing?

I read where a guy cracked a bunch of vintage from a good company and sent them to PSA - ALL came back "evidence of trimming!"

I just don't know what to say or whom you can trust anymore.

"Opinions" are starting become a very expensive proposition these days.

mike

Brian48

It's very difficult to grade a card through the holder. PSA (and I don't blame them) will lean on the side of safety and reject a card if there's a hint of uncertainty. Like the prevailing sentiment, the crossover service is a waste of money. The card will probably grade fine so long as you crack it and resubmit.

Personally speaking, has anyone EVER had a successful PSA crossover with the competitors' slab intact (ie. GAI, BGS, SGC, etc..)? I've read about numerous rejections, but never one sucess story.

Brian48

Hey, just out of curiosity, can we get a scan of the card?

aro13

I have had decent success crossing over SGC cards to PSA. Also, the old BGS holders when it came to vintage were pretty good for crossovers. I crossed a BGS 7 Yvon Cournoyer rookie in the holder and PSA gave it a (in my opinion) justified 8.

Edited to add: For the most part you are better off by cracking and submitting - especially if it is an OPC card graded by Beckett or a vintage card graded by GAI.

lawnmowerman

I am not trying to be negative but from my experiences in dealing with Beckett is they wont do anything for you. One time they destroyed my card I sent in to be graded and another time they would not help me on an issue similar to yours. They used to have a contact link on the website but it has been removed. That should tell you something.

Matt

InMySock

<< <i>Personally speaking, has anyone EVER had a successful PSA crossover with the competitors' slab intact (ie. GAI, BGS, SGC, etc..)? I've read about numerous rejections, but never one sucess story. >>



I have. Once. I crossed a holdered 1991 Wild Card Brett Favre 20 Stripe from a BGS 9.5 holder to a PSA 10 holder. I have tried the same thing two other times. A BGS 9 that came back MG, and an SGC 98 (Nov. special) that I still haven't gotten the results from (although I honestly don't think it will cross).

~IMS

wolfbear

Important to note here :

Beckett grades cards that have been recently cut from sheets and PSA and SGC do not.
Not to say that some don't slip through, or that either policy is right or wrong, it's just how it is.

It pays to know if there are uncut sheets floating around of the set you are collecting.
If there are, you should never buy a Beckett graded card with the intention of crossing it over.

Counselor

Thanks for all the feedback. The card was submitted in the BGS holder and came back in the BGS holder. Also we have had success in crossovers in the past - BGS 6.5 came back a PSA 7 and an SGC NM+ came back a 9. So we were comfortable in asking for a crossover. We will try to contact Beckett and will let the Board know what happens if we can locate them

Bob