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85t football wax bust...grades realized

ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
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received box today from bbce.

1st pack..biggest names were bartkowski and too tall jones.

2 cards damaged due to gum stains.

all cards warped to some degree, some more than others. i've never submitted a warped card with sharp corners. i'm assuming this would be some type of surface flaw and deducted accordingly. most cards have 3 sharp corners with wear on the other one. it's amazing how sharp 3 corners can be and then you hit the last corner with a flaw...arghhhhhh. even though there is some warp, these cards scream with gloss and dark black (unlike the last box purchased...which were faded).

heres the payton and elway. probably 7s maybe an 8 if i'm lucky.


Thanks,

David (LD_Ferg)



1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06

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    bobbybakerivbobbybakeriv Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭✭
    What do you mean by warped? Is it that they are "curved" in that there is space between the card and the surface when placed on something flat? I have submitted a couple of cards with this as an issue and I wasn't dinged for it.
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    Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,351 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hi ldferg

    Have ya got any scans?

    mike
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    wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭


    << <i>all cards warped to some degree, some more than others. i've never submitted a warped card with sharp corners. i'm assuming this would be some type of surface flaw and deducted accordingly. >>



    Nope. No deduction for a natural curl. Actually makes them "mintier" ...


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    digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭
    I had the same problem with the 1985T fb box I got from BBCE. I put the majority of the cards in an 800 ct box, shoved some filler in, and let the cards flatten themselves out. For the cards that looked "gradable", I put them in Card Saver 1s, stacked them up, and put a bunch of weight on top of them. That took care of the curve. :-) I got that idea from Fabfrank.

    I saw some of the same corner issues in my box, but overall, I'd say I got a pretty nice box. Most of the stars were in "gradable" condition, and almost everything was centered nicely (60/40 at worst on a few cards).
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    sorry for the delay guys. it was suppertime with the family.

    pack 2 (left side front column) yielded an elway....corner wear on 3 of the corners... image

    had a very nice roger craig, deep black, nicely centered, strong corners...however, under a light has a bubble in the surface.

    cards are much better in pack 2 as far as the warping, not near as bad. 2 cards still damaged due to gum stains.

    i'll try to stay on top of it this time and open a few more and scan a few as well.

    pack 3 (2 damaged with gum) all cards had some type of chip on the top edge. it looks like a roller mark or packing mark. no stars and a gastineau sticker.

    pack 4 (2 damaged..i guess this will be a given throughout the box so i will not mention it unless it's not). nice willie gault. a few of these also had the roller marks or packing marks. no warping in this pack. image

    pack 5 - payton with corner wear, probably an 8. nice largent, probably a 9...if i had to guess. i don't see anything that would yield a 10, or maybe i'm being too critical. i'm going to play the 2nd half of ncaa 06 ps2 with my youngest son...be back in about 20 mins.

    pack 6 - very nice lofton, probably a 9. several 9 candidates so far. btw, my son killed me in the 2nd half in ncaa 06. more cards damaged due to the packing mechanism used.

    pack 7 - still in left front column working down. nicest pack yet as far as condition. this one was filled with bears (too bad not a payton or dent). a nice hampton and suhey.

    pack 8 - fouts, marino RB and dickerson RB, and a nice klecko. fouts is probably an 8 and he was always one of my favorites. the guy could pass. most of this pack is lower condition due to the packing again.

    pack 9 - lawrence taylor (probably an 8, pushing a 9). decent danny white and george rogers. most of this pack had obvious corner wear. oh yeah, i forgot to mention that the top card in each pack has been damaged due to wax. it's still fun opening the box...on to the front right column.


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    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    pack 10 - louis lipps and mike webster. imo, probably 9s. still 2 cards damaged starting out this column as well as 1 damaged due to wax. a few on this top back warped like the first pack in the first column opened.

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    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    I have run into the same quality issue on busting wax too.

    It's a great set, but opening packs for gradeable cards is a pricy risk. Worse yet that you lose 1-3 cards/pack from gum rot, makes it more so.

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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    pack 11 and 12 were nothing above an 8 as far as grading is concerned. some o/c cards and no stars.

    pack 13 yielded a marino o/c top/bottom with minimal corner wear, probably an 8 o/c. also got a nice matt millen and richard dent. dent looks like an 8, if you want a scan, let me know. i hope this is not boring any of you. my kids think i'm nuts opening these packs and then telling you all about them...LOL. also got a couple of League Leader cards.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    last pack for tonite. pack 14. had some better conditioned cards. hopefully 9s: lott, leroy irvin, gary danielson, and lawrence taylor.

    good nite. my wife is calling...LOL


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LD

    The last scans look really good to me.

    Without me having to look it up - what are the RCs?

    Thanx for the scans
    mike
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    zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭


    << <i>I have run into the same quality issue on busting wax too.

    It's a great set, but opening packs for gradeable cards is a pricy risk. Worse yet that you lose 1-3 cards/pack from gum rot, makes it more so. >>

    Ax- That is the same with all wax.

    I have opened 3 85 vending and the corners just don't look good. I have an 85 Muchniak right now at PSA from vending so I will see how it fares.

    I still think wax is your best bet on this issue. I think over time this will be a highly sought after year as there are so many HOFers and the cards are unique without going overboard. Also there is something about black bordered cards that many collectors like.

    I am going bac to dig up some stashed away vending to see what I can find. I have yet to do a wax box but I think it will be my next purchase. I think it has been 3 monts since I bought unopened product so I am due for a treat.

    Nice scans LD and that Danimal looks pretty sweet.
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    zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭

    Meanwhile, for those that don't know what untampered vending should look like:

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    See the pattern, that is how it ALL should look. Uniform. I went through this box already which is why at the top and bottom the pattern breaks. Also, it should bet packed full. These boxes barely hold 500 cards so if they are extracted, they will never get them back in ther to see the patern in the middle to be consistent throughout.

    Sorry to hijack, but I was shocked when I opened this to still see the pattern amongst the middle cards.
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    decided to open a few packs this a.m. before work and heading on the road for the weekend (be back to post scans sunday and finish the box).

    pack 15 yielded a moon (wax stain as it was the last card) and nice cards of the following: dorsett, lambert, lomax, tony franklin, and sam washington. also had a nice LT sticker.

    packs 16-18, not much as far as names or gradeable cards. a decent payton record breaker (probably an 8) along with an ozzie newsome.

    i'll finish the box sunday...and hopefully i'll get my vending order tomorrow while i'm out of town. image


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    zef- That looks like an awesome vending box. Unfortunately many don't look that way. I'm becoming convinced wax is a waste. Just not enough gradeable cards to offset the cost of the box. That leaves racks as the only viable option. But that's way expensive too. Still, I would pay for the racks as even the borderline cards are better looking than cards from wax packs.
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    sixdartsixdart Posts: 821 ✭✭
    I agree Frank.

    Rack packs and grocery packs definitely offer better quality edges and centering than wax. However, they sometimes show more corner wear (due to packaging). The wax pack cards always seem to have that fiber type cut to them.
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    got home a day early. planning on finishing the 85 bust tonite. just opened pack 19, top right stack in the box. pulled some nice cards in this pack: alzado, marcus allen, darryl talley, and barry redden. if you want to see scans, let me know. moving on to pack 20. i'll continue to just edit this one post.

    pack 20...notta.

    pack 21. pulled a nice mike lansford and mike merriweather. both look like 9s.

    pack 22. nothing above an 8: haslett, gastineau, ray guy, marino sticker....these look beautiful until under the loup...

    pack 23. nothing but several falcons, nothing above an 8 and a sweet dorsett sticker. this column does not seem to be in very good condition.

    packs 24-27, not much other than a riggins, phil simms (o/c left right), and a dent (probably an 8).


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    sixdartsixdart Posts: 821 ✭✭
    ldferg,

    Are you planning on submitting any of these cards?
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    six,
    yes, i am planning on submitting tomorrow. i've pulled about 100 that have a legit shot at a 9. i know the payton and elway and some of the stars i'm sending will be 8s at most, but i'm wanting them slabbed regardless.

    i have about 15-20 rack packs still unopened and i'm debating whether or not to bust them and add to the submission.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



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    FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    ldferg- A bit of advice. Take another look with fresh eyes (after a few days rest) at the cards before submitting. When I do this I always find cards that are borderline. Cards that I hope would grade 9 rather than will. I put them in their Cardsavers and put them aside. This method saves me grading fees, but it also helps me keep track of possible future grading candidates. Key word is "Possible"image
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    ff,
    thanks for the advice. i will do just that. i'm actually sorting out the non-candidates now just putting them in order. i'll go back over the ones i've pulled tonite and again tomorrow before filling the submission form.

    thanks again


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    frank...should have taken your advice more thoroughly on the fresh eyes. for the most part, the grades are what i expected with a few worse. sent several just to be slabbed (ie dent, payton, moon...) even if they weren't mint.

    1985 TOPPS 6 WALTER PAYTON RECORD BREAKER 8
    1985 TOPPS 6 WALTER PAYTON RECORD BREAKER 8
    1985 TOPPS 8 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP DOLPHINS VS. STEELERS 8
    1985 TOPPS 11 WILLIAM ANDREWS N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 13 STEVE BARTKOWSKI N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 13 STEVE BARTKOWSKI N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 17 MIKE KENN ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 21 R.C. THIELEMANN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 22 CHICAGO BEARS WALTER PAYTON 8
    1985 TOPPS 22 CHICAGO BEARS WALTER PAYTON 8
    1985 TOPPS 24 RICHARD DENT ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 24 RICHARD DENT ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 24 RICHARD DENT ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 24 RICHARD DENT ALL PRO 7
    1985 TOPPS 29 WILLIE GAULT N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 30 DAN HAMPTON ALL PRO 9
    1985 TOPPS 30 DAN HAMPTON ALL PRO 9
    1985 TOPPS 30 DAN HAMPTON ALL PRO 9
    1985 TOPPS 32 STEVE McMICHAEL N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 33 WALTER PAYTON ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 33 WALTER PAYTON ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 33 WALTER PAYTON ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 33 WALTER PAYTON ALL PRO 7
    1985 TOPPS 34 MIKE SINGLETARY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 35 MATT SUHEY N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 37 DALLAS COWBOYS TEAM TONY DORSETT 8
    1985 TOPPS 38 BILL BATES N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 39 DOUG COSBIE N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 40 TONY DORSETT N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 40 TONY DORSETT N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 40 TONY DORSETT N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 44 GARY HOGEBOOM N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 48 RAFAEL SEPTIEN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 51 DANNY WHITE N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 56 GARY DANIELSON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 56 GARY DANIELSON N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 56 GARY DANIELSON N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 62 ED MURRAY N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 64 LEONARD THOMPSON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 65 BOBBY WATKINS N/A 10
    1985 TOPPS 68 LYNN DICKEY N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 69 MIKE DOUGLASS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 71 EDDIE LEE IVERY N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 75 JAMES LOFTON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 75 JAMES LOFTON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 77 LOS ANGELES RAMS ERIC DICKERSON 8
    1985 TOPPS 77 LOS ANGELES RAMS ERIC DICKERSON 8
    1985 TOPPS 79 ERIC DICKERSON ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 82 LE ROY IRVIN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 82 LE ROY IRVIN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 83 JEFF KEMP N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 84 MIKE LANSFORD N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 85 BARRY REDDEN N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 104 HOKIE GAJAN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 110 NEW YORK GIANTS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 116 ALI HAJI-SHEIKH N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 117 MARK HAYNES ALL PRO 9
    1985 TOPPS 117 MARK HAYNES ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 123 PHIL SIMMS N/A 7
    1985 TOPPS 123 PHIL SIMMS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 123 PHIL SIMMS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 124 LAWRENCE TAYLOR ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 124 LAWRENCE TAYLOR ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 124 LAWRENCE TAYLOR ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 124 LAWRENCE TAYLOR ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 124 LAWRENCE TAYLOR ALL PRO 9
    1985 TOPPS 126 GREG BROWN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 142 E.J. JUNIOR ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 143 NEIL LOMAX N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 143 NEIL LOMAX N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 148 SAN FRANCISCO 49ers JOE MONTANA 8
    1985 TOPPS 150 DWIGHT CLARK N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 150 DWIGHT CLARK N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 156 RONNIE LOTT N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 157 JOE MONTANA N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 161 FREDDIE SOLOMON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 177 WASHINGTON REDSKINS JOHN RIGGINS 7
    1985 TOPPS 181 DARRELL GREEN N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 181 DARRELL GREEN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 182 RUSS GRIMM N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 182 RUSS GRIMM N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 185 ART MONK ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 189 JOHN RIGGINS N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 189 JOHN RIGGINS N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 189 JOHN RIGGINS N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 191 JOE WASHINGTON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 191 JOE WASHINGTON N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 192 PASSING LEADERS D.MARINO/J.MONTANA 8
    1985 TOPPS 192 PASSING LEADERS D.MARINO/J.MONTANA 8
    1985 TOPPS 192 PASSING LEADERS D.MARINO/J.MONTANA 8
    1985 TOPPS 194 RUSHING LEADERS E.JACKSON/E.DICKERSON 9
    1985 TOPPS 197 PUNTING LEADERS J.ARNOLD/B.HANSEN 9
    1985 TOPPS 207 DARRYL TALLEY N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 207 DARRYL TALLEY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 212 LOUIS BREEDEN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 217 BOBBY KEMP N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 217 BOBBY KEMP N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 219 ANTHONY MUNOZ ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 219 ANTHONY MUNOZ ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 223 CHIP BANKS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 223 CHIP BANKS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 226 JOE DeLAMIELLEURE N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 228 BOYCE GREEN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 232 OZZIE NEWSOME ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 232 OZZIE NEWSOME ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 238 JOHN ELWAY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 238 JOHN ELWAY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 238 JOHN ELWAY N/A 7
    1985 TOPPS 242 BUTCH JOHNSON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 250 CARTER HARTWIG N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 251 WARREN MOON N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 251 WARREN MOON N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 251 WARREN MOON N/A 7
    1985 TOPPS 251 WARREN MOON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 252 LARRY MORIARTY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 256 WILLIE TULLIS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 276 BILL KENNEY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 282 MARCUS ALLEN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 283 LYLE ALZADO N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 288 RAY GUY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 289 LESTER HAYES N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 290 MIKE HAYNES ALL PRO 9
    1985 TOPPS 295 MATT MILLEN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 299 MARC WILSON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 314 DAN MARINO ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 318 DWIGHT STEPHENSON ALL PRO 8
    1985 TOPPS 324 TONY FRANKLIN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 325 IRVING FRYAR N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 327 BRIAN HOLLOWAY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 327 BRIAN HOLLOWAY N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 328 CRAIG JAMES N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 329 STANLEY MORGAN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 329 STANLEY MORGAN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 332 STEPHEN STARRING N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 334 ANDRE TIPPETT N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 334 ANDRE TIPPETT N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 341 JOE KLECKO N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 341 JOE KLECKO N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 344 FREEMAN McNEIL N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 347 MARVIN POWELL N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 354 ROBIN COLE N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 357 JACK LAMBERT N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 357 JACK LAMBERT N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 357 JACK LAMBERT N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 358 LOUIS LIPPS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 359 MARK MALONE N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 360 MIKE MERRIWEATHER N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 362 DONNIE SHELL N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 362 DONNIE SHELL N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 363 JOHN STALLWORTH N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 364 SAM WASHINGTON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 364 SAM WASHINGTON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 365 MIKE WEBSTER N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 365 MIKE WEBSTER N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 368 ROLF BENIRSCHKE N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 368 ROLF BENIRSCHKE N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 372 DAN FOUTS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 372 DAN FOUTS N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 375 EARNEST JACKSON N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 377 CHARLIE JOINER N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 385 JACOB GREEN N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 385 JACOB GREEN N/A 8
    1985 TOPPS 396 CHECKLIST 265-396 N/A 8


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



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    FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    Did the cert #'s begin with 314?
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    ldfergldferg Posts: 6,739 ✭✭✭
    sorry for cutting all of that out. no, these are 404's as well as my 84 subs.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



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    FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    I got hit on my latest sub too. No 10's few 9's and too many 8's. Ironically that submission was from some rack packs I had and I felt were better than the cards i sent from wax in a previous submission. I'll wait till they arrive and see if there are any worthy of re-submitting. In the meantime I'm interested in some of your cards:
    1985 TOPPS 13 STEVE BARTKOWSKI N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 29 WILLIE GAULT N/A 9
    1985 TOPPS 65 BOBBY WATKINS N/A 10
    1985 TOPPS 359 MARK MALONE N/A 9

    PM or email me if you are interested in selling and your price.

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