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BlackhawkBlackhawk Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭
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Is this 1860 farthing the TB/BB mule?

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  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭
    looks to be TB on the obv, and BB on the rev. Nice find!!image
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  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭
    Extreamly rare listed in Spink, no price!!image
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  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    ? Explain, please...
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  • mainline13mainline13 Posts: 46
    Ok, somebody may have to educate me. TB? BB?
  • BlackhawkBlackhawk Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭
    The coin has a toothed border on one side and a beaded border on the other.
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  • BlackhawkBlackhawk Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭
    The coin is actually a chocolate brown color...I lightened it for the photos. Would any British experts care to give it a grade and maybe a value?
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  • mainline13mainline13 Posts: 46
    Ah. Toothed and Beaded borders. Got it.

    I did actually notice the difference, but I wasn't sure if it was real or perceived.

    I am so obviously not a British expert, but from the little bit I found on Google, trying to see if I could find an explanation of TB/BB, it should be worth a bit.

    Thanks for the education.
  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,454 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like it to me. Calling wybrit . . .

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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    A mule is a cross between a horse and donkey, if it were a mule it would look like this:

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  • farthingfarthing Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭
    If it were mine I'd probably grade it as a Fine. The obverse appears to be more worn than the reverse.

    Sure looks like the TB/BB mule though - great find!
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  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,972 ✭✭✭
    It's a mule and is a very nice find indeed! Graded aF (no hair detail) / gF

    Price in Collector Coins: £100 (F). It is probably worth a lot more than that.
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • rhound1977rhound1977 Posts: 2,504
    image Find..... image
  • CruziCruzi Posts: 460
    What dies were mis-matched to make the TB/BB thing?
  • spinaker2000spinaker2000 Posts: 4,329 ✭


    << <i>What dies were mis-matched to make the TB/BB thing? >>



    1860 was the transition year from the young head farthing to the more mature bust of Victoria. That year they minted new beaded border farthings and toothed border farthings. The above coin would have been a mixup between the two. Also, there were some, that's a small some, of the young head Victoria farthings minted, those are listed at 850 in F and 4500 in XF. (Forgot how to make the little pound thingy)
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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    Great giveaway! thanks for the chance.

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  • SapyxSapyx Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>(Forgot how to make the little pound thingy) >>



    Alt-156 (on the keypad, with NumLock on). £
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  • sumnomsumnom Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭
    That is way cool! Nice find.
  • BlackhawkBlackhawk Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭
    What's the best market for the coin...Ebay?
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  • TegTeg Posts: 135
    Very nice find,
    one of the rarest bronze farthings.
    The mint swapped from using copper to bronze in 1860. They had a lot
    of problems because bronze is harder than copper. The first set of designs
    were in too high relief - they had to totally redesigned in a lower relief. These
    were then rushed through. During production they found that the beaded
    border got damaged easily. They then changed the design to a toothed
    border.

    This variety is often mistaken- I have seen some genuine on eBay - and some
    false. Beads get squashed and look like teeth, and teeth get detached and
    look like beads. On higher grade examples there are other points to look at -
    the number of berries in Vic's hair, and the number of rocks to the left of the
    lighthouse.

    The rule of thumb for lower grade specimens is ALL the beads must look like
    proper beads and most of the teeth should be obvious.

    The position of the I of the date is also crucial - on genuine specimens it
    touches, or seems to intersect with the linear circle - as on your coin!

    Value. If Colin Cooke had this in his farthing catalogue I would expect
    it to be £ 110 - £ 140 (assuming it hasn't been cleaned - hard to tell from a
    photo)
    eBay , guess between £80 - £150 - if eBay maybe slabbed would do better.

    (When I upgraded mine I swapped/sold the lower grade one to Colin)

    Teg
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