Has anyone "Made" any better date Lincoln cents in high grade ?
STEWARTBLAYNUMIS
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I'm talking about mint marked dates in the teens,twenties or early thirties.I believe it is probably near impossible since the prices are stratospheric.PCGS has been grading copper tighter than a crabs a$$....and that is very,very tight.
I may be wrong but I doubt it.
Stewart
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So, are you telling me I shouldn't even try? I have a few that I think are good candidates. Maybe I should wait a while. The real test will be when the 26-s from Bozarth's colection gets sent in.
Jack
If you think Bozarths 26 s in 64 red will go 65 red then I WANT SOME OF WHAT YOU ARE SMOKING.
Stewart
a039 - More than 50% of my collection of early certified Lincoln Cents were sent in raw.The last coin they properly graded was a 1933 D in 67 red which was sent in raw.
Stewart
1 09758118 1963 1C USA MS67RD
What do you guys think of this 29-d? I only bought it because it was going so cheap (On Christmas!). OMG is it nice. It's got that tone spot but nothing else wrong. Looks like a cent from the 40's. Or even a solid ms66 from the 40's. Would it ever go ms66 or does that spot nix that for sure?
<< <i>The last coin they properly graded was a 1933 D in 67 red which was sent in raw.
Stewart >>
How long ago was that??
WS
18 1911-D in 65, 1 1911-D in 66, 2 1911-S in 65, 15 1912-D in 65, 2 1912-D in 66, 1 1912-S in 65, 5 1913-D in 65, 2 1913-S in 65, 1 1914-D in 65, 1 1914-S in 65, 21 1915-D in 65, 1 1915-d in 66, 1 1916-D in 65, 4 1916-S in 65, 2 1917-D in 65, 1 1918-d in 65, 1 1919-d in 65, 4 1920-D in 65, 1 1920-S in 65, 1 1922-D in 65, 1 1922-D in 66, 3 1923-S in 65, 4 1924-D in 65, 2 1925-D in 65, 1 1925-S in 65, 1 1926-D in 65, 1 1927-D in 65, 1 1928-D in 65, 1 1928-D in 66, 3 1928-S in 65, 5 1929-D in 65, and 3 1929-D in 66
Total increase in population in 65RD is 102 of which half came in 1911-D, 1912-D, 1915-D. Total population graded in 65Rd was 1419 coins in Oct 2004, so an increase of 7% in 1 1/2 years. If you exclude these three dates, the total population graded in 65Rd was 1135 coins with a total increase in 48 coins or 4% in 1 1/2 years.
Total increase in population in 66RD is 10 out of a total population of 137 coins in Oct 2004, or an increase of 7% in 1 1/2 years.
Given that there has been a faster increase in the number of high end collectors in early dates than the population growth in these grades, its not surprising that prices have risen so much.
While I've heard dealers and collectors tell me about their successes in upgrades or crosses, the reality is that Stewart is correct. It has become incredibly hard to get upgrades in these early dates (not P-mints by the way). It could be that this is really deserving or it could be a policy at PCGS to be extremely tight on upgrades or crosses due to their buy-back guarantee.
My take is that PCGS is grading the situation and circumstances rather than the coins.
Stewart
f you think Bozarths 26 s in 64 red will go 65 red then I WANT SOME OF WHAT YOU ARE SMOKING.
Stewart,
I was thinkin the same thing, but I'm glad you said it!
Lloyd,
You hit the nail right on the head. I'm so pathetic. I'm just friggin' hooked on Lincolns. I feel like a crack-head. Just trying to figure out where and when I'm going to score next.
Jack
100% agree with you. When the price of CLCT drops to single digit, I will consider to send in some coins for re-grade
Do graders get CLCT stock option?
<< <i>bECKWB - Nice bookkeeping ! All the 1911 d cents were sent in by ANR and auctioned at the pre ANA sale.One of the ms 65's got into a 66.They also auctioned many 1912 d cents that were graded ms 64 red on the first go round.Two of them upgraded from ms 64 red to ms 66 red.Most of the others went to 65 red on the second try... >>
Holy Cow! I bought the only 65rd 12-d in that auction. It sure is nice. Just a little bit struck from worn dies. A picture of it is here. Even though this was graded the highest, was this the nicest coin? Did I get a 66rd in a 65rd holder!!!?? Gosh dang, I was going to try to buy the best 65rd 11-d too but thought I couldn't afford it (I actually could have). I bought what seemed to be the best 64rd, for $1035. I don't like it that much though and haven't tried to upgrade it.
coin
same coin
My coin!!!
The 12-D is Super nice, so nice I would crack it. It looks 66 to me.
The mineral oil is still better than the intercept product in my analysis over the past two years. More on that later!!!
Can you expand on the mineral oil? Never heard of such a thing????
So let me get this straight:
The coin was in a 64RD holder...and sold at auction for $690.
Then the coin was in a 66RD holder...sold for $23,000 at Heritage.
Someone cracked it out...lost their shirt and it landed in a 65RD holder and you picked it up for $2300? My question is: Why would someone crack it out of a 66 holder? The mark on the cheek would prevent it from upgrading to a 67. Is the mark on the cheek going to keep it out of a 66 holder even?
If I am reading this right....PCGS assigned three different grades to the same coin?
Stewart
<< <i> Lincolns rule - With your luck your coin will come back downgraded as a 64 red ! >>
Ellewood: no, my coin is a different coin from the one that went from ms64 to ms66. Mine was graded ms65 at the same time that other one was graded ms64.
One had a nick on the cheek, and Lincolnsrule's - does not. But Lincolnsrule - you need to have a good bribe or contacts on the inside of PCGS to get it into a 66. My belief is you will be joining Dr. Jack on fantasy island.
About the 64 to a 66. With a nick on the cheek so obvious. Somebody inside loved the submitter in more ways than we know.
And in the end: Seems to me another buy the plastic not the coin case...
Did you misstate on your 13-s submissions?? beckwb stated actual INCREASES from one grade to another. Your statement of the 13-s submissions TRYING TO UPGRADE are only ATTEMPTS, thus do not count. Correct??
<< <i>Stewart:
Did you misstate on your 13-s submissions?? beckwb stated actual INCREASES from one grade to another. Your statement of the 13-s submissions TRYING TO UPGRADE are only ATTEMPTS, thus do not count. Correct?? >>
Probably cracked out 65's sent in raw, that came back 65 again.
You got that right Doug,I still have to turn in the inserts.
Stewart
Lloyd,
"Fantasy Island?!!" C'mon, let me live in my little dream world.
I agree with you on the upgrade issue, though. Trying to figure out if PCGS is grading "tight" or "loose" based on the pop reports is an exercise in futility. As with any data, it's garbage in garbage out. Occasionally you can follow a particular coin, as in the case of the 12-D with the scratch (gouge) on the cheek. But trying to draw any conclusions from the pop reports is an analysis frought with error.
Jack
<< <i>> My take is that PCGS is grading the situation and circumstances rather than the coins.
100% agree with you. When the price of CLCT drops to single digit, I will consider to send in some coins for re-grade
Do graders get CLCT stock option? >>
well i guess that leaves out a brand spankin new
1915-p in 67 red out of consideration
monsterman
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>>>My take is that PCGS is grading the situation and circumstances rather than the coins
your right about that....with the jump in auction prices they are going to make more to feed the demand.....pop 1 coins are going to pop 3 coins...pop 8 coins are going to pop 14 coins
and those with pop 1 coins are going be pissed.....as the once lofty space gets crowded and values get diluted as the pop increases
thats how the game is played
but
now pop one owners get to answer back...as usually in theory since their coins are still the best...its time to play the game and resubmit ...making the services even more money from the top guys having to play
been there done that....and its not fun
monsterman
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
Surprise ??? you shouldn't. That's today's PCGS grading.
Wait for another seven months (until summer ANA), you might be able to get MS66 back