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Question about the "OC" label on a PSA card... PIC added

goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
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Got my first submission back and looked them over pretty closely.

Was looking at the #439 Brooks Robinson PSA9 oc and comparing it to other cards that I got back that were 7's and 8's.....

the card appears to be centered as well as most of those cards and possibly better than some of them so why does this one get the OC on it?

is it because once you reach a lofty "9" that they are extra picky on that?

do you BB card guys crack these out and resubmit them like the coin people do with coins?

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  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    If you could show some scans, you could get some opinions on whether you should resubmit or not. I am sure there have been plenty of close ones that have been resubmitted hoping not to get the OC qualifier.

    Stingray
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    depending on what it looks like, it could get anywhere between a 6-8 if resubmitted..

    as to why they gave some of your cards OC and some not, i dunno.. if i know i have some "qualified" cards i'm submitting, i usually write "NO QUALIFIERS" on the top of the form, but they dont always pay attention to my request..
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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    well I know why the all star ones did....they are pretty obvious.

    now this one.......not so.

    I'll post a pic here in a bit....
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    If you just absolutely didnt want the Qualifier you could re-submit and write " NO Qualifiers" at the top of the sub form. They should re-grade the card would probably come back a couple of grades lower without the "oc" though.image
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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Was looking at the #439 Brooks Robinson PSA9 oc and comparing it to other cards that I got back that were 7's and 8's..... >>


    The higher the card grade the less tolerance you have for off centered cards. A PSA-6 can have a lot of centering issues a 9 can't.
    If you stated "No Qualifiers" on your submission. The 9oc Robinson might have been a staright PSA-8 or a 7. The amount of cenetering tolerance would indicate the grade. a 90/10 centered card opened from a pack would never get a PSA-9 w/o the qualifier. If you chose the "No Qualifiers" it might go down to a PSA-3 or 4 due to the centering. In this case I would prefer a 9oc rather then a real low grade...jay
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I could be wrong but the lowest I have seen as of late is a 9oc go down to a 6.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I could be wrong but the lowest I have seen as of late is a 9oc go down to a 6.

    Steve >>



    Technically speaking, a card that displays all the characteristics of a 9 but is off center 90/10 could grade no higher than 3 with no qualfiers. I've never actually seen one graded as such, since it would be foolhardy to submit a 90/10 card with a no-qualifier request.

    We've debated over and over on these boards which you would rather have: the 9 oc or a straight 7. However, I've been confident that PSA will grade a 9 o/c only if it doesn't qualify as a straight 8. Anybody have recent experience to the contrary?
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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    Here's a quick digipic guys.

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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    That is a sweet card despite the o/c qualifier. I would keep it a 9 oc if I were you.
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  • A761506A761506 Posts: 1,309 ✭✭✭
    That card is an example of why I always ask for no qualifiers... you have a gorgeous card that looks like a PSA 8 NQ, but if you ever went to sell it in a 9 OC holder, you would be doing well to top the PSA 7 price level.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That card is an example of why I always ask for no qualifiers... you have a gorgeous card that looks like a PSA 8 NQ, but if you ever went to sell it in a 9 OC holder, you would be doing well to top the PSA 7 price level. >>



    yep.. on a different day, thats a psa 8..
    ·p_A·
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Mark

    This one surely could have been a 3, but was lowered to a 6

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    I have had in my pos. cards that would be 9OC and were given a straight 7 grade.


    Steve


    edited to add: i would definetly resubmit that Robby with a no qualifier please ..............It should get an 8, 7 at the lowest.


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    Good for you.
  • WCWC Posts: 63
    Hey Goose - what does the back look like?

    I've had some come back with an OC because the back was off.
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    You know I never even looked at it.

    Just checked.....nothing crazy going on there.........similar to front.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    psa has never given me a lower grade because of the back.. their standards say they allow up to 90/10 centering on the back for a PSA 9..
    ·p_A·
  • bobsbbcardsbobsbbcards Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭
    It measures 68 - 32 top to bottom (at worst). Ship it back, ask for no qualifiers, and you'll get an 8 easily. Nice looking card!!
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  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It measures 68 - 32 top to bottom (at worst). Ship it back, ask for no qualifiers, and you'll get an 8 easily. Nice looking card!! >>






    ok, what does this mean??? the 68 32 thing?
  • 5STAT5STAT Posts: 835
    the Robinson is SWEET!!...

    The OC kills the resale....but it's looks off both directions...TB and LR....LR just slightly but....if it were one or the other..you might get away with it...but not both..

    The eye appeal of the card is incredible though....one everyonr would want..even if raw..

    If you're looking for $$$ on it...send it to SGC....
    If you need it for the Registry...resubmit and pray for the 8.....
  • bobsbbcardsbobsbbcards Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭


    << <i>what does this mean??? the 68 32 thing? >>


    If you look at total amount of white space (border) between the top and bottom of the card, 68% of the border is at the top of the card and 32% is at the bottom of the card. Another way to look at this is the top border is 2 1/8 times as wide as the bottom border. Here's PSA's standards for a PSA 9 and a PSA 8:

    MINT 9: Mint.

    A PSA Mint 9 is a superb condition card that exhibits only one of the following minor flaws: a very slight wax stain on reverse, a minor printing imperfection or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

    NM-MT 8: Near Mint-Mint.

    A PSA NM-MT 8 is a super high-end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance, but upon closer inspection, the card can exhibit the following: a very slight wax stain on reverse, slightest fraying at one or two corners, a minor printing imperfection, and/or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.
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  • Kurtman9Kurtman9 Posts: 553
    Slim chance for an 8 due to top to bottom centering. When I have submitted mint cards with that type of centering PSA normally has come back with 7 even though it might be better than 70/30. I think eye appeal tips it either way. Nice looking card!
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  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭
    I agree with the vets here; on another day that's an 8.
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    no way that card should qualified. crack it out and send it with your next order and it is easily an 8.
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    but be careful cracking it out..
    ·p_A·
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