Manning Fails to Deliver...Again!
Axtell
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Yet another big game, and yet another failure to close a big game.
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Is this man a Hall of Famer or a choke artist ax?
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He needs to be b*itch slapped!
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<< <i>He's a hall of famer AND a choke artist. >>
Agreed. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Marino would wet himself if he had the arsenal that Manning has...yet Manning continues to flail like a fish out of water in big games.
Manning had 74 yards passing in the first half, and had 25 yards in the Colts' first four possessions.
CHOKER.
Manning = ARod
Indiana Colts = Buffalo Bills of the 2000's. The big difference is they haven't even gone to the big dance.
I think Seattle will beat Carolina but either team will beat the AFC team.
He's the same big baby his little brother is. He needs to suck up the responsibility that he blew it, had an awful game, and learn how to be a leader.
I don't often agree with Skinpinch and his barrage of numbers, but in a recent post he made a good point about football being a TEAM game.
You know the difference between Manning and Brady???
Viniteiri would've made that kick.
If I hear one more "expert" tell me how SMART it is to rest your starters at the end of a season when you have a BYE anyway i am going to be SICK
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The one physical guy that the colts have, Bob Sanders, was hardly called all day, where did he go?
This is true...but Manning is only 29 years old...too early yet to label him a choke artist although he is leaning on that path.
Odds:
Will the Mannings ever play for the same team and which will be the back up?
I agree with the leadership aspect on the 4th down call. He had the confidence to know that the O would make it. If Dungy though different he would have punted.
That said, Peyton needs to learn how to play under pressure. The Steelers D was in his back pocket all day.
Yeah, so does McNabb.
Maybe McNabb can tech Manning how to run, and Peyton can teach Donovan how to play with stress and not puke.
<< <i>290 yards and zero interceptions isn't exactly choking, especially when the o-line is letting guys in scot free. >>
He had 75 yards in the first half...when Pittsburgh was running up and down the field. He made up a lot of those yards in garbage time as Pittsburgh played softer D. Manning failed to deliver. He wants to be the offensive coordinator, he needs to accept the responsibility that goes with it...and NOT calling out your O line is a start.
And please, let's not say it was the kicker's fault...if Manning has anything resembling a pro QB's first half, they wouldn't have been scrambling to make a late second FG...and it was nearly 50 out...hardly automatic.
Think of the movie "Groundhog Day". The harder Bill Murray tries to re-live a perfect day the worse it gets. The Colts slipped off track and tried to regain momentum just by stepping back on the tracks. You can be on the right track, but you'll get run-over if you're standing still...enter the Steelers. It's nobody's fault, in my opinion. Just a tough way to end a really good season.
Congrats to the Steelers and their fans. They are a very spirited group of guys that are well-coached and don't fear anyone. They're a legitimate Super Bowl Championship-caliber club.
Axtell,
I like your venom and spirit and enjoy your perspective. I don't agree with it in this case as I think Dan Marino had a heck of a group of receivers as well. Both are tremendous talents and I don't think any less of Dan Marino for not winning a Super Bowl. Circumstance has an awful lot to do with success in the moment. Super Bowls do not make the player in my opinion. In our society it is always about winning the last game you play or what have you done for me lately. I choose to be above that. The Buffalo Bills that went to four Super Bowls are a truly special team to me. The Atlanta Braves keep failing in the post-season, but every organization that has needed to rebuild does so in their model. Also, ask any team that was in the National Football League from 1983-1990 if they wanted Dan Marino to be their quarterback and, with few exceptions, the answer would be "Why? Is he available? What have you heard? You'd better not be joking! This is HUGE!" Marino and Manning are both all-time greats with or without jewelry. Manning may get his--he may not. That doesn't change the durability, leadership, hard work, discipline, and skill he plays with every week.
dgf
dgf
<< <i>As for vanderjagt, isn't he the guy who is always running his mouth? I seem to recall him being a "special" guy. I can't say he choked, but it's nice to see a guy who calls out other players get his. If I am thinking of somebody else, my apologies to him, but I could swear I got it right.
dgf >>
Yeah, he said that the Colts had no heart after, I believe it was the Jets, handing them their a$ses a couple of years ago in the playoffs.
And yes, Marino had some good receivers, but he never had the team that Manning had. Manning has a long history of coming up short in big games, dating all the way back to his days in college, and this debacle is just another chapter in the story.
I think that's what happens in Manning's "big games". He gets blitzed all day and he starts getting that pouty look. And he's not very mobile.
That Troy Polomahu (sic) seemed like he was everywhere!
<< <i>290 yards and zero interceptions isn't exactly choking, especially when the o-line is letting guys in scot free.
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Uh, he should have had one BIG int. But, even with the refs help, the Dolts pissed the game away!!
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And yes, Marino had some good receivers, but he never had the team that Manning had. Manning has a long history of coming up short in big games, dating all the way back to his days in college, and this debacle is just another chapter in the story. >>
Marino had some good receivers? ha! Mark Duper and Mark Clayton were as formidable a receiving tandem that there EVER has been in the NFL. Those Miami teams were juggernauts on offense. So, it was defense that let Dan the man down almost his entire career. Dan Marino, one of the all time greats at QB could not win the big game because of a HUGE deficiency on defense.
Peyton Manning and the rest of the "vaunted" Colts were given TOO MUCH TIME OFF. These guys went almost three weeks without seeing real game action. To rest your players with A DAMN BYE locked up is playing in FEAR. FEAR of injuries is playing in FEAR. Thus, the Colts came out as FLAT as you can expect from a team being led by FEARFUL coaches and ownership.
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<< <i>As for vanderjagt, isn't he the guy who is always running his mouth? I seem to recall him being a "special" guy. I can't say he choked, but it's nice to see a guy who calls out other players get his. If I am thinking of somebody else, my apologies to him, but I could swear I got it right.
dgf >>
Yes, that's who Manning referred to as their "idiot kicker". I will be interesting to see if the Colts bring him back next year.
<< <i>Marino had some good receivers? ha! Mark Duper and Mark Clayton were as formidable a receiving tandem that there EVER has been in the NFL. Those Miami teams were juggernauts on offense. So, it was defense that let Dan the man down almost his entire career. Dan Marino, one of the all time greats at QB could not win the big game because of a HUGE deficiency on defense.
Peyton Manning and the rest of the "vaunted" Colts were given TOO MUCH TIME OFF. These guys went almost three weeks without seeing real game action. To rest your players with A DAMN BYE locked up is playing in FEAR. FEAR of injuries is playing in FEAR. Thus, the Colts came out as FLAT as you can expect from a team being led by FEARFUL coaches and ownership.
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Dan,
I'm still pissed that you sold that LeFlore out from under me--to a friend, no less, but your post above makes me feel better. I agree with every word and it's nice to see them in print when I didn't write them. I respect Coach Dungy and the Colts organization, but perhaps the time off really did dull thier blades some...
dgf
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The Simmons looked nice, but my sense is that it is the lesser of the ones you turned. True story? Frank tends to pick the nicest example when deals are made and the next-best copy is probably like the one I already have. Just tell me that you didn't tell him the card was already promised to me. That would be uncool if he knew and still went after it. The reason I have dropped out of the hobby of late is the amount of "deals" that have gone the way this one did. I think Mike Castaldi must've turned 30 cards I wanted and he sent every last one to someone else before I could get a single ONE. I get offered what's returned, but who wants those? We all remember the term "sloppy seconds"...sorry, I know that's gross. I don't begrudge anyone for trying to make their set better, however. The thing that bugs me is that of the 700+ cards in the set, theres only 40 I really want extra nice and LeFlore is near the top of the list (lead-off man).
Here's a question for you more on topic--sort of-- regarding the Giants. Are Yankee fans more rabid than Giant fans? Who is more fair-weather? I met a guy, Mike Rosinus, who is from New York and he's a Yankee fan and a JET fan. How unusual is that?
dgf
<< <i> Here's a question for you more on topic--sort of-- regarding the Giants. Are Yankee fans more rabid than Giant fans? Who is more fair-weather? I met a guy, Mike Rosinus, who is from New York and he's a Yankee fan and a JET fan. How unusual is that?
dgf >>
A Yankee/Jet fan is DEFINATELY not the norm. The way it usually breaks down is Met fans are Jet fans and Yankee fans are Giant fans. I am sure alot of that has to do with the Giants history at Yankee Stadium and the Jets history at Shea stadium. I don't know ANY Giants fans who are Met fans. That is just the way it is. Both Yankee and Met fans can be described as GENERALLY fair weathered. Both have the rock solid rabid core who can never seem to get playoff tickets when the fair weather and the celebs start to take interest.
Giant fans are a hardy bunch as all of them have had season tickets FOREVER aside from the few that don't renew tickets every year for whatever reason. The 20+ year waiting list for them is testament to the loyalty of the Giants fan. The Jet fan is as loyal as they come also but they are a annual miserable lot who love their snakebit team. The few times that beer has not been allowed at Giants Stadium have come at peak miserable time during Jet home games. The Giant fans have the snowball masacre against San Diego 10 or so years ago when many of the season ticket holders opted to sell off the last game of the season during a miserable stretch for the Giants. That game resulted in new STRICT penalties against season ticket holders who sell off their tickets and the buyer acts like a jacka$$. The penalty being permanent loss of season tickets.
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I guess some of us are just gluttons for punishment.
Steve
<< <i>And to add to what Dan has mentioned the Yankee, Giant fan also usually follows the Knicks and Rangers too. The Mets, Jets guy usually goes for the Islanders and Nets. Although their are exceptions.
I guess some of us are just gluttons for punishment.
Steve >>
Steve, yes that is exactly right! Giant/Yankee fans ARE Knicks and Ranger fans etc! Good Job
I became a Net fan watching Chocolate Thunder Darryl Dawkins bring down back boards
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