Grades received and I am pissed!!!

RobBobGolf · January 12, 2006 4:58AM

I have sent in many submissions of 1970 Glossy cards, receiving assorted grades from 5 to 9. I am sure I know how to asses the condition of these cards. Well my latest sub had some of what I considered the nicest Glossy cards I have ever seen. Was expecting a lot of 9's with a chance of a 10 or two. Almost never get an OC Qfer on these either. Look at this 585706 21140 , I am so fuming, I want to cancel my membership. Anyone ever feel this way about a submission?

gregm13 · January 12, 2006 5:16AM

That's why I request no qualifiers. Before I did, I would always get screwed w/ a qualifier on a highly graded card.

Sorry to see the bad results. From the looks of your grades, one would expect the cards to be in poor shape overall. I'm not very familar w/ the glossy set - so I'm not sure of how tough they are graded.

Regards,

Greg M.

gregm13 · January 12, 2006 5:17AM

By the way, the 313 grader strikes again!!!!

Regards,

Greg M.

transparent · January 12, 2006 5:19AM

I have had the same thing happen, but that's what makes this game so tough. It happens to everyone. Some graders are tougher than others, it seems, and it's just the luck of the draw.

Paul

mikeschmidt · January 12, 2006 5:19AM

PSA Order Status for Submission # 585706

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 31397170 1970 TOPPS 1 TOMMY NOBIS SUPER GLOSSY 7
1 31397171 1970 TOPPS 1 TOMMY NOBIS SUPER GLOSSY 7
1 31397172 1970 TOPPS 1 TOMMY NOBIS SUPER GLOSSY 8
2 31397173 1970 TOPPS 2 JOHN UNITAS SUPER GLOSSY 6
2 31397174 1970 TOPPS 2 JOHN UNITAS SUPER GLOSSY 6
2 31397175 1970 TOPPS 2 JOHN UNITAS SUPER GLOSSY 7
3 31397176 1970 TOPPS 3 TOM MATTE SUPER GLOSSY 6
3 31397177 1970 TOPPS 3 TOM MATTE SUPER GLOSSY 9OC
4 31397178 1970 TOPPS 4 MAC PERCIVAL SUPER GLOSSY 8
4 31397179 1970 TOPPS 4 MAC PERCIVAL SUPER GLOSSY 6
4 31397180 1970 TOPPS 4 MAC PERCIVAL SUPER GLOSSY 8
5 31397181 1970 TOPPS 5 LEROY KELLY SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
5 31397182 1970 TOPPS 5 LEROY KELLY SUPER GLOSSY 6
5 31397183 1970 TOPPS 5 LEROY KELLY SUPER GLOSSY 9OC
6 31397184 1970 TOPPS 6 MEL RENFRO SUPER GLOSSY 7
6 31397185 1970 TOPPS 6 MEL RENFRO SUPER GLOSSY 6
6 31397186 1970 TOPPS 6 MEL RENFRO SUPER GLOSSY 6
6 31397187 1970 TOPPS 6 MEL RENFRO SUPER GLOSSY 9OC
7 31397188 1970 TOPPS 7 BOB HAYES SUPER GLOSSY 7
7 31397189 1970 TOPPS 7 BOB HAYES SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
7 31397190 1970 TOPPS 7 BOB HAYES SUPER GLOSSY 7
8 31397191 1970 TOPPS 8 EARL McCULLOUCH SUPER GLOSSY 8
8 31397192 1970 TOPPS 8 EARL McCULLOUCH SUPER GLOSSY 8
9 31397193 1970 TOPPS 9 BART STARR SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
9 31397194 1970 TOPPS 9 BART STARR SUPER GLOSSY 5
10 31397195 1970 TOPPS 10 WILLIE WOOD SUPER GLOSSY 5
11 31397196 1970 TOPPS 11 JACK SNOW SUPER GLOSSY 6
11 31397197 1970 TOPPS 11 JACK SNOW SUPER GLOSSY 8
12 31397198 1970 TOPPS 12 JOE KAPP SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
12 31397199 1970 TOPPS 12 JOE KAPP SUPER GLOSSY 6
12 31397200 1970 TOPPS 12 JOE KAPP SUPER GLOSSY 7
13 31397201 1970 TOPPS 13 DAVE OSBORN SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
13 31397202 1970 TOPPS 13 DAVE OSBORN SUPER GLOSSY 6
14 31397203 1970 TOPPS 14 DAN ABRAMOWICZ SUPER GLOSSY 9
14 31397204 1970 TOPPS 14 DAN ABRAMOWICZ SUPER GLOSSY 9OC
14 31397205 1970 TOPPS 14 DAN ABRAMOWICZ SUPER GLOSSY 6
15 31397206 1970 TOPPS 15 FRAN TARKENTON SUPER GLOSSY 7
15 31397207 1970 TOPPS 15 FRAN TARKENTON SUPER GLOSSY 8
16 31397208 1970 TOPPS 16 TOM WOODESHICK SUPER GLOSSY 7
16 31397209 1970 TOPPS 16 TOM WOODESHICK SUPER GLOSSY 7
17 31397210 1970 TOPPS 26 GEORGE WEBSTER SUPER GLOSSY 8
17 31397211 1970 TOPPS 26 GEORGE WEBSTER SUPER GLOSSY 6
17 31397212 1970 TOPPS 26 GEORGE WEBSTER SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
17 31397213 1970 TOPPS 26 GEORGE WEBSTER SUPER GLOSSY 9OC
18 31397214 1970 TOPPS 27 LEN DAWSON SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
18 31397215 1970 TOPPS 27 LEN DAWSON SUPER GLOSSY 6
19 31397216 1970 TOPPS 28 BOB GRIESE SUPER GLOSSY 7
19 31397217 1970 TOPPS 28 BOB GRIESE SUPER GLOSSY 8
20 31397218 1970 TOPPS 29 JOE NAMATH SUPER GLOSSY 6
20 31397219 1970 TOPPS 29 JOE NAMATH SUPER GLOSSY 7
20 31397220 1970 TOPPS 29 JOE NAMATH SUPER GLOSSY 7
21 31397221 1970 TOPPS 30 MATT SNELL SUPER GLOSSY 8
21 31397222 1970 TOPPS 30 MATT SNELL SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
22 31397223 1970 TOPPS 31 DARYLE LAMONICA SUPER GLOSSY 7
23 31397224 1970 TOPPS 32 FRED BILETNIKOFF SUPER GLOSSY 7
23 31397225 1970 TOPPS 32 FRED BILETNIKOFF SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
24 31397226 1970 TOPPS 33 DICK POST SUPER GLOSSY 5
25 31397227 1970 TOPPS 17 ROY JEFFERSON SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
25 31397228 1970 TOPPS 17 ROY JEFFERSON SUPER GLOSSY 8
26 31397229 1970 TOPPS 18 JACKIE SMITH SUPER GLOSSY 6
26 31397230 1970 TOPPS 18 JACKIE SMITH SUPER GLOSSY 4
26 31397231 1970 TOPPS 18 JACKIE SMITH SUPER GLOSSY 6
26 31397232 1970 TOPPS 18 JACKIE SMITH SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
27 31397233 1970 TOPPS 19 JIM JOHNSON SUPER GLOSSY 9OC
27 31397234 1970 TOPPS 19 JIM JOHNSON SUPER GLOSSY 6
27 31397235 1970 TOPPS 19 JIM JOHNSON SUPER GLOSSY 8
28 31397236 1970 TOPPS 20 SONNY JURGENSEN SUPER GLOSSY 6
29 31397237 1970 TOPPS 21 HOUSTON ANTWINE SUPER GLOSSY 6
29 31397238 1970 TOPPS 21 HOUSTON ANTWINE SUPER GLOSSY 7
30 31397239 1970 TOPPS 22 O.J. SIMPSON SUPER GLOSSY 7
30 31397240 1970 TOPPS 22 O.J. SIMPSON SUPER GLOSSY 8
31 31397241 1970 TOPPS 23 GREG COOK SUPER GLOSSY 8
31 31397242 1970 TOPPS 23 GREG COOK SUPER GLOSSY 8
32 31397243 1970 TOPPS 24 FLOYD LITTLE SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
32 31397244 1970 TOPPS 24 FLOYD LITTLE SUPER GLOSSY 6
33 31397245 1970 TOPPS 25 RICH JACKSON SUPER GLOSSY 8OC
33 31397246 1970 TOPPS 25 RICH JACKSON SUPER GLOSSY 9OC

Date Received: 01/04/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 01/12/2006
Date Shipped: 01/12/2006

rbeaton · January 12, 2006 6:13AM

Ouch! Those are some terrible grades...

Robert

Griffins · January 12, 2006 6:21AM

If the grade doesn't fit you must resubmit!

packCollector · January 12, 2006 6:22AM

that hurts , I will never complain again . chaulk it up to 250 buxks down the tubes and think of all the times you have recieved high grades and enhanced the value of your cards. I am sure you will be ahead of the game. I ahd a similar sub not too long ago and I thought of all the cards that I bought for 50 buxks and were worth 1000 after I graded them and i felt a lot better and calmed down. a few beers helped as well

lostdart58 · January 12, 2006 7:15AM

being the devil's advocate............

If I was expecting grades of 9s and 10s....and then received grades with 4 , 5s and 6s......................I would perhaps need to reevaluate my submission standards.

Sorry.....

Vintagegolfcollector · January 12, 2006 7:24AM

Ouch, I think most of us have had at least one or two submissions that were graded tough, but there are a lot of 7s and lower in that one. With a number of past subs on these cards for experience, maybe a second look and if you still feel they are mostly 9s, try again.

fur72 · January 12, 2006 7:27AM

Indeed the 313 did strike again! Its quite ironic. I first time I heard of the 313 was a week ago. Low and behold he graded my cards. Actually I am happy with the grades with the exception of the 2 2005 Topps Chrome Basketball BEN GORDON and EMEKA OKAFOR . Of all the cards I look to submit I though those 2 had the best chance of a 10. Sharpe corners, no surface scratches, good centering they went from the box to a toploader. I have 2 more subs one from November and a 5 dayer from this month, I hope 313 takes a few days off. Take a look!

31347080 CARD TOO THICK REFUND DO NOT GRADE N/A Not Holdered, No Holder Available
2 31347081 1986 DONRUSS 210 CAL RIPKEN JR. N/A 10
3 31347082 1986 DONRUSS 112 TONY GWYNN N/A 8
4 31347083 1986 DONRUSS 653 PETE ROSE KING OF KINGS 9
5 31347084 1981 FLEER 5 MIKE SCHMIDT BATTING 8
6 31347085 1981 TOPPS 259 METS FUTURE STARS BERENGUER/BROOKS/WILSON 9
7 31347086 1981 FLEER 650 REGGIE JACKSON N/A 9
8 31347087 1982 FLEER 174 EDDIE MURRAY N/A 8
9 31347088 1982 FLEER 405 GEORGE BRETT N/A 9
10 31347089 1982 TOPPS 21 ORIOLES FUTURE STARS BONNER/RIPKEN/SCHNEIDER 8
11 31347090 1982 TOPPS 125 DANNY AINGE N/A 9
12 31347091 1982 TOPPS 780 PETE ROSE N/A 8
13 31347092 1982 TOPPS 300 REGGIE JACKSON N/A 9
13 31347093 1982 TOPPS 300 REGGIE JACKSON N/A 9
14 31347094 1983 TOPPS 83 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 8
15 31347095 1983 TOPPS 300 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 9
16 31347096 2004 TOPPS CHROME 168 BEN GORDON N/A 9
17 31347097 2004 TOPPS CHROME 167 EMEKA OKAFOR N/A 8
18 31347098 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 179 JIM PALMER N/A 8OC
19 31347099 1986 TOPPS STICKERS 134 PETE ROSE N/A 8
20 31347100 1980 TOPPS 335 WILLIE McCOVEY N/A 7
21 31347101 1997 ZENITH 42 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 10
22 31347102 1993 UPPER DECK 175 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 9
22 31347103 1993 UPPER DECK 175 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 10
23 31347104 1997 FINEST 2 RYNE SANDBERG W/COATING 10
24 31347105 1986 TOPPS 690 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 8
24 31347106 1986 TOPPS 690 RYNE SANDBERG N/A 8
25 31347107 1996 DENNY'S 9 RYNE SANDBERG INSTANT REPLAY HOLOGRAMS 6

Onlypsahockey · January 12, 2006 7:39AM

I'm beginning to think the "313 grader"(if he actually exists) is a modern guy. He seems to be awfully tough on the vintage submissions. I had some sweet, sharp, centered 61 topps come back kind of low. I want to crack and resubmit but with my luck they'll come back 313 again. He must be a big believer in the "not creating wealth theory"

Boopotts · January 12, 2006 9:16AM

<< <i>being the devil's advocate............

If I was expecting grades of 9s and 10s....and then received grades with 4 , 5s and 6s......................I would perhaps need to reevaluate my submission standards.

Sorry.....

>>

Just because I'm curious-- how much 'oddball' stuff have you ever had graded?

zef204 · January 12, 2006 11:48AM

<< <i>Indeed the 313 did strike again! Its quite ironic. >>

This guy has freakin killed me twice. I have 20+ that I am resubmitting from my last submission of 85 cards. I would be willing to wager 25-33% will grade higher. There are 8's in there that have razor corners, centering within the standards and awesome eye appeal. I actually had 20 glossys in there too and somehow those got the best grades. I got 3 9's on those but also got a few 5's that puzzel me. I have submitted over 2000 cards and usually have a pretty good idea of what I will get and for the glossies I have sent in nearly 250. I have only gotten one 10 on those so I never expect it, but I know that "313" is a guy I don't want looking at any of my cards.

glossycrazy · January 12, 2006 12:33PM

Rob-
Crack out the best ones and resubmit them!! Wait for a $5 special so it is not too spendy. The" Grader of Death" as he is known has smacked me on these glossies before. Many of my resubmits climbed from 6's to 8's and a bunch of7's and 8's went to 9's.. I know you have a great eye for submitting these cards because I've watched you build a top quality set over the past couple of years with your own submissions.. Best of luck!
Paul ( The Good Old Days/ sets #2 and #3 on the registry for glossies)

Ripken · January 12, 2006 3:16PM

If one grader is obviously tougher than the others and there is evidence of that (which it appears there is), it certainly behooves some of you to contact Joe Orlando and let him know. I'm sure they do hire new folks or re-assign people on occasion so it's not out of the question. Give as many real facts and evidence as you can. If you've submitted several different times involving the same type of issues, consider yourself knowledgable and are getting wildly inconsistent grades, indicate that. Tell him several collectors are having the same type of trouble (sight experiences from this thread).

State your case with facts, (maybe even include scans) be passionate but respectful and I'm betting he will listen. I went through the same thing a couple of years ago with '68 Topps. I'd submitted many before--knew the material--and was getting consistent grades until one submission that contained some of the finest I'd seen came back as 7's and 8's. Others felt the same way. I brought up the issue, included some samples and I think the consistency returned not long after. Grading IS subjective, but it's obviously in PSA's best interest to make sure the standards are as consistent as humanly possible.

jmbkb4 · January 12, 2006 4:37PM

Playing the

I like this 313 guy

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 31396971 1993 FINEST 3 BRYAN HARVEY REFRACTOR 9
2 31396972 1993 FINEST 24 JOSE RIJO REFRACTOR 10
3 31396973 1993 FINEST 185 ANDY VAN SLYKE REFRACTOR 9
3 31396974 1993 FINEST 185 ANDY VAN SLYKE REFRACTOR 9
4 31396975 1993 FINEST 164 TOM HENKE REFRACTOR 9
5 31396976 1993 FINEST 77 TONY GWYNN REFRACTOR 10
6 31396977 1993 FINEST 168 DELINO DeSHIELDS REFRACTOR 9
7 31396978 1993 FINEST 79 SAMMY SOSA REFRACTOR 10
8 31396979 1993 FINEST 26 SANDY ALOMAR REFRACTOR 9
9 31396980 1993 FINEST 186 MIKE LANSING REFRACTOR 9
10 31396981 1993 FINEST 129 JOHN WETTELAND REFRACTOR 9
11 31396982 1993 FINEST 160 STEVE AVERY REFRACTOR 9
12 31396983 1993 FINEST 21 TODD ZEILE REFRACTOR 9
13 31396984 1993 FINEST 137 GREG SWINDELL REFRACTOR 9
14 31396985 1993 FINEST 83 GREGG JEFFERIES REFRACTOR 9
15 31396986 1993 FINEST 92 MARK McGWIRE REFRACTOR 10
16 31396987 1993 FINEST 55 IVAN CALDERON REFRACTOR 10
17 31396988 1993 FINEST 126 ERIC DAVIS REFRACTOR 9
18 31396989 1993 FINEST 182 RANDY MYERS REFRACTOR 9
19 31396990 1993 FINEST 187 RAY LANKFORD REFRACTOR 9
20 31396991 1993 FINEST 138 BENNY SANTIAGO REFRACTOR 10
21 31396992 1993 FINEST 159 DEAN PALMER REFRACTOR 9
22 31396993 1993 FINEST 69 DOUG JONES REFRACTOR 9
23 31396994 1993 FINEST 36 TONY FERNANDEZ REFRACTOR 9
24 31396995 1993 FINEST 179 ERIC ANTHONY REFRACTOR 9
25 31396996 1993 FINEST 173 JUNIOR FELIX REFRACTOR 9
26 31396997 1993 FINEST 5 SID FERNANDEZ REFRACTOR 10
27 31396998 1993 FINEST 132 TOM CANDIOTTI REFRACTOR 9
28 31396999 1993 FINEST 131 KEN CAMINITI REFRACTOR 9
29 31397000 1993 FINEST 95 LEE SMITH REFRACTOR 10
30 31397001 1993 FINEST 78 KEVIN APPIER REFRACTOR 9
31 31397002 1993 FINEST 32 ERIC KARROS REFRACTOR 9
32 31397003 1993 FINEST 27 ALEX FERNANDEZ REFRACTOR 10
33 31397004 1993 FINEST 33 FRANK VIOLA REFRACTOR 10
34 31397005 1993 FINEST 84 ANDRE DAWSON REFRACTOR 9
35 31397006 1993 FINEST 181 OTIS NIXON REFRACTOR 10
36 31397007 1993 FINEST 130 ANDRES GALARRAGA REFRACTOR 9
37 31397008 1993 FINEST 161 JULIO FRANCO REFRACTOR 9
38 31397009 1993 FINEST 140 CHRIS BOSIO REFRACTOR 9
39 31397010 1993 FINEST 172 JACK McDOWELL REFRACTOR 10
40 31397011 1993 FINEST 45 DARRYL HAMILTON REFRACTOR 9
41 31397012 1993 FINEST 189 MOISES ALOU REFRACTOR 9
42 31397013 1993 FINEST 193 BOB TEWKSBURY REFRACTOR 9
43 31397014 1993 FINEST 66 BOBBY BONILLA REFRACTOR 10
44 31397015 1993 FINEST 117 KENT HRBEK REFRACTOR 9
45 31397016 1993 FINEST 19 ANDY BENES REFRACTOR 9
46 31397017 1993 FINEST 147 CAL ELDRED REFRACTOR 10

Date Received: 01/04/2006
Date of Grades Posted: 01/10/2006
Date Shipped: 01/10/2006

ldferg · January 12, 2006 8:56PM

if the theory of a grader being assigned a number (i.e. 313), then i agree with onlypsahockey ...I'm beginning to think the "313 grader"(if he actually exists) is a modern guy...

robbob, sorry about your luck on this one.

jmbkb4, where are you getting all of these 93 refractors??? great grades.

glossycrazy · January 12, 2006 8:56PM

Howdy!
Someone above stated, " I think 313 is a modern grading guy."I think this quote hits it right on the head! It seems to me that everything he/she does in the modern era is graded somewhat on the head and the vintage stuff takes a beating.. I did have one good experience with 313 on '71 kelloggs football. My grades popped on a Monday.. Maybe as the week goes on he/she gets more and more owly and everything takes a beating!! I have a sub due any day from 12/1... More '71 kelloggs football. I'm actually hoping for 313 on these!
Paul

fur72 · January 12, 2006 10:55PM

<< <i>I'm beginning to think the "313 grader"(if he actually exists) is a modern guy. He seems to be awfully tough on the vintage submissions. >>

I agree in spades, from all the evidence I have seen here in the past few weeks this is exactly the case. I have some vintage stuff that I should be getting gradeds on no later than Monday. If the 313 grades them I will post.

imafishinnut · January 12, 2006 11:02PM

Here is a submission of modern cards I just got back with the "313" starting number. The grades were pretty much as expected. These Private Signings cards are very tough to get better than PSA 8s in my experience. The "Re-Colored" card was a real surprise. I didn't even check the card for recoloring.

1 31351355 2002 STUDIO 66 JAVIER VAZQUEZ PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
1 31351356 2002 STUDIO 66 JAVIER VAZQUEZ PRIVATE SIGNINGS Not Holdered, Re-Colored
2 31351357 2002 STUDIO 97 BRAD PENNY PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
3 31351358 2002 STUDIO 99 JUAN PIERRE PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
4 31351359 2002 STUDIO 104 CARLOS ZAMBRANO PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
5 31351360 2002 STUDIO 105 JOSE VIDRO PRIVATE SIGNINGS 7
5 31351361 2002 STUDIO 105 JOSE VIDRO PRIVATE SIGNINGS 6
6 31351362 2002 STUDIO 163 MARK BUEHRLE PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
7 31351363 2002 STUDIO 166 BEN SHEETS PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
7 31351364 2002 STUDIO 166 BEN SHEETS PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
8 31351365 2002 STUDIO 218 MORGAN ENSBERG PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
9 31351366 2002 STUDIO 236 TAKAHITO NOMURA PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
9 31351367 2002 STUDIO 236 TAKAHITO NOMURA PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
10 31351368 2002 STUDIO 252 JOSH BARD PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
11 31351369 2002 STUDIO 266 CLIFF LEE PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
12 31351370 2002 STUDIO 271 JOE BORCHARD PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
13 31351371 2002 STUDIO 274 KEVIN CASH PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8
14 31351372 2002 STUDIO 275 CHONE FIGGINS PRIVATE SIGNINGS 8

Date Received: 11/28/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 01/12/2006
Date Shipped: 01/12/2006

Here is a sample of what the cards look like in case anyone is interested:

Regards,
Mike

zef204 · January 13, 2006 12:14AM

I have seen some 314's graded lateley. I don't know if they ran out of serials for 313 or if it is a different grader. Just thought I would point this out.

1966CUDA · January 13, 2006 2:24AM

"313" Has been good to me on my last two vintage submissions..here is one of them:

1 31323323 1970 KELLOGG'S 2 PETE ROSE N/A 9
1 31323324 1970 KELLOGG'S 2 PETE ROSE N/A 8
2 31323325 1970 MILTON BRADLEY HANK AARON N/A 9
2 31323326 1970 MILTON BRADLEY HANK AARON N/A 10
3 31323327 1970 MILTON BRADLEY ERNIE BANKS N/A 9
3 31323328 1970 MILTON BRADLEY ERNIE BANKS N/A 9
4 31323329 1970 MILTON BRADLEY LOU BROCK N/A 9
4 31323330 1970 MILTON BRADLEY LOU BROCK N/A 9
5 31323331 1970 MILTON BRADLEY ROD CAREW N/A 9
5 31323332 1970 MILTON BRADLEY ROD CAREW N/A 10
6 31323333 1970 MILTON BRADLEY ROBERTO CLEMENTE N/A 9
6 31323334 1970 MILTON BRADLEY ROBERTO CLEMENTE N/A 9
7 31323335 1970 MILTON BRADLEY REGGIE JACKSON N/A 9
7 31323336 1970 MILTON BRADLEY REGGIE JACKSON N/A 10
8 31323337 1970 MILTON BRADLEY HARMON KILLEBREW N/A 9
8 31323338 1970 MILTON BRADLEY HARMON KILLEBREW N/A 9
9 31323339 1970 MILTON BRADLEY JUAN MARICHAL N/A 8
9 31323340 1970 MILTON BRADLEY JUAN MARICHAL N/A 9
10 31323341 1970 MILTON BRADLEY WILLIE MAYS N/A 9
10 31323342 1970 MILTON BRADLEY WILLIE MAYS N/A 9
11 31323343 1970 MILTON BRADLEY WILLIE McCOVEY N/A 9
11 31323344 1970 MILTON BRADLEY WILLIE McCOVEY N/A 10
12 31323345 1970 MILTON BRADLEY FRANK ROBINSON N/A 9
12 31323346 1970 MILTON BRADLEY FRANK ROBINSON N/A 9
13 31323347 1970 MILTON BRADLEY PETE ROSE N/A 8
13 31323348 1970 MILTON BRADLEY PETE ROSE N/A 10
14 31323349 1970 MILTON BRADLEY TOM SEAVER N/A 9
14 31323350 1970 MILTON BRADLEY TOM SEAVER N/A 9
15 31323351 1971 DELL PETE ROSE TODAY'S TEAM STAMPS 9
15 31323352 1971 DELL PETE ROSE TODAY'S TEAM STAMPS 9
16 31323353 1971 DELL JOHNNY BENCH TODAY'S TEAM STAMPS 8
16 31323354 1971 DELL JOHNNY BENCH TODAY'S TEAM STAMPS 9
17 31323355 1971 DELL ROBERTO CLEMENTE TODAY'S TEAM STAMPS 9
18 31323356 1971 DELL REGGIE JACKSON TODAY'S TEAM STAMPS 9
18 31323357 1971 DELL REGGIE JACKSON TODAY'S TEAM STAMPS 9
19 31323358 1971 TOPPS 100 PETE ROSE N/A 4
20 31323359 1975 O-PEE-CHEE 397 BILL FREEHAN N/A 10

Date Received: 11/01/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 12/12/2005
Date Shipped: 12/12/2005

Kurtman9 · January 13, 2006 3:00AM

So, if I understand this correctly, you all are saying that the first 3 cert numbers corresponds to the person who graded the cards? If so, I doubt the Grader of Death was 313 when this submission went through:

PSA Order Status for Submission # 582527

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 31333836 1959 TOPPS 561 HANK AARON ALL STAR 8
2 31333837 1960 TOPPS 488 NORM CASH N/A 8
3 31333838 1961 TOPPS 287 CARL YASTRZEMSKI STAR ROOKIE 9
4 31333839 1961 TOPPS 589 WARREN SPAHN ALL STAR 10
5 31333840 1962 TOPPS 350 FRANK ROBINSON N/A 8OC
6 31333841 1963 TOPPS 472 LOU BROCK N/A 8
7 31333842 1963 TOPPS 138 PRIDE OF N.L. W.MAYS/S.MUSIAL 8
8 31333843 1965 TOPPS 540 LOU BROCK N/A 9
9 31333844 1969 TOPPS 260 REGGIE JACKSON N/A 8
10 31333845 1969 TOPPS 120 PETE ROSE N/A 8
11 31333846 1969 TOPPS 200 BOB GIBSON N/A Not Holdered, Miscut
12 31333847 1969 TOPPS 550 BROOKS ROBINSON N/A 7

Date Received: 11/07/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 11/14/2005
Date Shipped: 11/14/2005

By far, the most brutal grades I have ever received were in 2 separate submissions, both with certs starting with "123".

Perhaps Darth Grader, aka Grader of Death has been reassigned from 123 to 313 or vice versa??

smallstocks · January 13, 2006 4:18AM

<< <i>I'm beginning to think the "313 grader"(if he actually exists) is a modern guy. He seems to be awfully tough on the vintage submissions. I had some sweet, sharp, centered 61 topps come back kind of low. I want to crack and resubmit but with my luck they'll come back 313 again. He must be a big believer in the "not creating wealth theory"

>>

I recently bought a few 1950's from 313 that I have thought they were actually a tad overgraded.

dakota · January 13, 2006 4:40AM

You guys kill me with all your different theories on cert #s.

GeneralJim · January 13, 2006 4:48AM

These did`nt turn out so bad from "grader 313 " at least in my opinion. what do ya think

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 31356755 1992 UPPER DECK 1 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL N/A 10
2 31356756 1992 TOPPS ARCHIVES 150 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL GOLD 9
3 31356757 1992 FLEER TONY'S PIZZA SHAQUILLE O'NEAL SLAM DUNK 9
4 31356758 1992 U.D. McDONALD'S P43 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL N/A 10
5 31356759 1992 U.D. McDONALD'S P5 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 10
6 31356760 1988 FLEER 120 MICHAEL JORDAN ALL STAR 9OC
6 31356761 1988 FLEER 120 MICHAEL JORDAN ALL STAR 8
7 31356762 1988 FLEER STICKER 7 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 6ST
8 31356763 1991 HOOPS PROTOTYPES 00 004 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 10
9 31356764 1990 HOOPS SUPERSTARS 12 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 8
10 31356765 1984 7-ELEVEN DISCS XVII JOHN ELWAY WEST 10
11 31356766 1986 TOPPS 161 JERRY RICE N/A 7
12 31356767 1990 FLEER UPDATE U-40 EMMITT SMITH N/A 9
13 31356768 1992 PRO SET HOLOGRAM ES1 EMMITT SMITH STATS 1990-1999 8
14 31356769 1992 PRO SET HOLOGRAM ES2 EMMITT SMITH DRAFTED BY COWBOYS 8
15 31356770 1992 PRO SET HOLOGRAM ES3 EMMITT SMITH ROOKIE OF THE YEAR 8
16 31356771 1992 PRO SET HOLOGRAM ES4 EMMITT SMITH NFL RUSHING LEADER 8OC
17 31356772 1986 FLEER UPDATE U-14 BARRY BONDS N/A 7
18 31356773 1994 UPPER DECK 24 ALEX RODRIGUEZ N/A 9
19 31356774 1989 ACTION PACKED MARIO LEMIEUX PROTOTYPES 7

Date Received: 12/02/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 12/07/2005
Date Shipped: 12/08/2005

jmbkb4 · January 13, 2006 8:03AM

bottom line: NO ONE KNOWS!!!

gmoneystyles · January 13, 2006 8:26AM

The Shadow Knows

ArmourGuy · January 16, 2006 11:35AM

I thought each item was looked at by 3 graders and they took the average. Is that not correct ?

Grades received and I am pissed!!!

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