Most Condtion Sensetive Football Sets Past or Present
Rickster12
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Most recent condition sensetive football card set my vote would be 2000 Quantum Leaf Football?
Vintage Football set i would go for 1971 Topps!
Let me know what you think
Vintage Football set i would go for 1971 Topps!
Let me know what you think
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and since its 23 years older, high end cards are
indeed a rareity, as unopened packs/boxes
are very scarce. 1985 Topps can easily be found
in unopened form...jay
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Dav
That is a very nice looking mint 9OC card. The OC is hardly noticable.
I agree with the 62 Topps.
nevermind I was thinking of 71 topps as being 75
SD
<< <i>Before there was '85 Topps, there was '62 Topps
and since its 23 years older, high end cards are
indeed a rareity, as unopened packs/boxes
are very scarce. 1985 Topps can easily be found
in unopened form...jay
That card received an OC!?
How about 63 Topps football?
1974 Topps football in extremely hard to find centered. Not an issue of border chipping.
75 football was a white bordered set, are you thinking of baseball?
Stingray
<< <i>That card received an OC!? >>
STING - At least this proves the theory that auth PSA dealers don't get all the breaks!
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<< <i>
How about 63 Topps football?
Stingray >>
Without looking at populations for the 62 and 63 Topps sets, I would guess that there are a greater number of PSA 8+ cards for the 63 set compared to the number for 62. From personal experience, there are a greater number of 1963 Topps cards available on eBay at any given time. Dealer inventories have always illustrated the same trend in my experience. I think the black border shows wear much more clearly than the colored borders and contributes to the toughness of high grades.
Steve
Joe
<< <i>1926 Shotwell. I doubt any example over VG/EX even exists.
Joe >>
Joe,
Didn't you crunch some numbers a few years ago and determine that '62's aren't, in fact, as tough as everyone makes them out to be? I can't remember the specifics of your argument, but I do remember thinking it was compelling.
Modern - 1990 or 1991 Stars n' Stripes - the candy oozing out in the individual pack boxes killed a lot of these cards and the 1991 (even though they produced factory sets) has blue borders making it still very difficult to find high grade stuff.
1993 Pro Set Power All-Power-Defense Gold #1
<< <i>62 and 66 are by far the hardest followed by 63 and if i had to ad a 4th 67 philly comes close to 63 topps many tough cards to find >>
When I die I'll know I'm in hell if I find myself tied into a chair with a grading loupe in one hand a tower of '67 Philly's on the desk waiting to be graded.
Seriously, I can't IMAGINE having to grade those rough cuts. EVERY card seem like it has a soft corner, even when they don't. For some reason the Philly rough cut is much harder to grade (for me, anyway) then the OPC rough cut.
My old set is still #4 all time and i believe the new owner has moved it into #2
<< <i>1965 Topps would also be up there in toughness, due to the larger cards. You couldn't store them the same way you stored all your other cards, and therefore, they got more damage.
Steve >>
I agree Steve, I think the 65's are harder than heck. The 62's, and 63's are tough as well. 1957 I don't think is that tough and the 55 AA is tough only because it is scarce.
The 1971 is tough but it is plentiful and with good paitence even nice raw can be found cheap.
The 85's are tough but you could buy a few raw cases for a few hundred $$ and put together a mint set.
My vote would be 1965's.
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So do the 19th century Mayos - they are darn tough
<< <i>
Joe,
Didn't you crunch some numbers a few years ago and determine that '62's aren't, in fact, as tough as everyone makes them out to be? I can't remember the specifics of your argument, but I do remember thinking it was compelling. >>
I vaguely recall that as well
Joe
<< <i> Looking at '62 Topps now, 33% have been graded 8NQ or higher, which is pretty high to be called "most condition sensitive" set. >>
JOE - This all started when the original poster had 5 sets listed and said which is the most sensative, he listed '71 & '85 Topps and 3 newer sets. (The poll has since changed).
I chimed in, that if you think '85 is tough, try '62. As they both have the black border. And '62's are hard to come by in unopened form, while '85 is still rather plentiful.
Granted 33% of 8's & higher for the '62's are a high #, but outside of the major stars like Unitas, Brown, Tarkenton, Starr etc.. No one will submit VG cards as the grading fee will make it cost prohibitive. Now the Mayo football set you will have collectors & dealers submit poor, fair & good card as their value would be well worth the grading fee.
Also for comparison's sake, since you listed 33% of all '62's are 8's & higher.
I tabulated the '85's. There has been 10,927 graded and 9,866 (90.2%) are 8's and higher.
Again any card with any wear or defect isn't worth submitting, so naturally the majority must be high.
And 36.5% have been graded 9's & higher...jay
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I actually did some research last year on which vintage football cards are the hardest to find in high grade.
It is based on the percentage of the cards that have been submitted to PSA that have received a grade of 8 or better.
The 3 to 5 most submitted cards were deducted from the numbers of each set because stars are often graded regardless of condition.
Also, they are the cards that are broken out and resubmitted the most.
You really have to compare within eras because, as Jay alluded to,
a PSA 7 common from the 1950s may have some value whereas a PSA 8 common from the 1970's may not.
Anyway, the toughest of all the mainstream sets turned out to be the 1948 and 1949 Leaf by far.
From the 50's it was 1952 Bowman Large followed closely by 1953 Bowman and 1952 Bowman Small.
As for the 60's, it was the 1965 Tall Boys with 1962 Topps second.
From the 70's it was 1971 Topps with nothing else even close.
Somewhat surpisingly, from the 80's it was 1981, followed by 1984 and 1986.
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
while all my words on this "forum" will be discounted...
you are now comparing apples with blue moons,
1962 tops football in psa 8/9 takes just a bit of motivation and creativity
....the Mayo fb..beyond the easy 20 or so...takes a lil' of what the hobby used to be about.
edited to say:
looks like the '62 set i was selling is almost all spoken for.
<< <i>while all my words on this "forum" will be discounted... >>
MF - I doubt that,you know more about the '62's then anyone I know.
And I do realize its very hard to compare an '80's set to a '60's set to a set from 1894....jay
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I don't much about gaded football cards, but i can tell you that completing the mayo fb set is not easy in any grade.
while '62's in high grade seem to be growing on trees somewhere..sadly..not in my yard .
(complete edit to remove hostile ramblings that were not called for....I blame the Giants :-)
Joe
Of course the 1894 Mayo plugs are actually the toughest to find in high grade, they're the oldest by far.
I only examined mainstream sets. With only two current sets on the registry, the Mayos didn't fit my criteria.
As for collecting a set only because it is rare, I guess that would depend on your collecting goals.
If you're looking for cards with the biggest potential upside for appreciation then the older the better.
I collect cards that I can enjoy and somewhat relate to. I'd have trouble sinking my teeth into a set like the Mayos
which is comprised of nobodys that I've never heard of and in which the highest booking card is of a player named "Anonymous".
Hey Joe, the Bolts have a home game vs the Browns this year ... maybe we can finally do a game ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>Of course the 1894 Mayo plugs are actually the toughest to find in high grade, they're the oldest by far.
I only examined mainstream sets. With only two current sets on the registry, the Mayos didn't fit my criteria.
As for collecting a set only because it is rare, I guess that would depend on your collecting goals.
If you're looking for cards with the biggest potential upside for appreciation then the older the better.
I collect cards that I can enjoy and somewhat relate to. I'd have trouble sinking my teeth into a set like the Mayos
which is comprised of nobodys that I've never heard of and in which the highest booking card is of a player named "Anonymous".
Hey Joe, the Bolts have a home game vs the Browns this year ... maybe we can finally do a game ...
I moved to Illinois
Joe
I realize it's not a mainstream set, but I'd venture to say ... there may never be a high grade set of these assembled. I think most of the Magics were ruined back in 1951 when the college kids were scratching the trivia backs off with their coins.
Mike
<< <i>I'd have to cast a vote for one of my new favorite tuff sets ... the 1951 Topps Magic issue. Talk about condition problems ... you have perf seperations, a scratch-off trivia area, a gloss type finish on the card backs (that cracks and wrinkles more easily than the kelloggs cards), and of course the normal centering and print quality problems of the 1940's and 50's.
I realize it's not a mainstream set, but I'd venture to say ... there may never be a high grade set of these assembled. I think most of the Magics were ruined back in 1951 when the college kids were scratching the trivia backs off with their coins.
Mike >>
Are they round ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"