Two things that got reconfirmed in last nights USC-Texas game!
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1. Vince Young is one unbelievable player
2. The best team doesn't always win the game
It would have been really nice if the Trojans would have showed up last night. It was getting pretty frustrating watching the review refs constantly blowing which plays to review and which not. But the Trojans should have been able to overcome that. In fact I was really suprised that USC didn't key on Young better and shut him down.
Do you think yesterday's lose was more Pete Carroll's fault or the player's fault...or do you just think it was point shaving that got out of hand?
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2. The best team doesn't always win the game
It would have been really nice if the Trojans would have showed up last night. It was getting pretty frustrating watching the review refs constantly blowing which plays to review and which not. But the Trojans should have been able to overcome that. In fact I was really suprised that USC didn't key on Young better and shut him down.
Do you think yesterday's lose was more Pete Carroll's fault or the player's fault...or do you just think it was point shaving that got out of hand?
morris <><
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quarter, UT would of scored another 4 touchdowns. They had NO answer for Vince Young. Caroll just though the could show up and
win...of course it doesn't help that all the experts said USC would roll big...they are used to seeing USC beating up on PAC 10
garbage. Caroll was reading his own press clippings.
JS
In a post-season bowl game OSU beats ND by a good margin..........................
Would not it be expected Texas is probably a bit better than USC ???............Duh, maybe common opponents in IMPORTANT games should be considered a reasonable measure of realative quality.
I never watched him through the year, so I do not know if Pete really was a good play caller this year, or that USC is so talented they won 34 in a row in spite of him. Regardless, no one can question his recruiting success.
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<< <i>I'd say it was an uncharacteristic game for Carroll. I can't fault him for the 4th down call late, but the one early in the game was a bit questionable. Beyond the X's and O's, though, was the fact that USC just didn't seem as poised and disciplined and in command of all those other intangibles as they had been for much of the streak. Last year's team was just more consistent in that regard.
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Going for it on 4th and 2 was a good call. Leaving Bush on the bench was not. Even if Bush does not get the ball, it gives them a better chance of making the first down.
Unfortunately for USC, Bush wasn't in the game to shove Matt forward on that quarterback sneak that failed.
<< <i>1. Vince Young is one unbelievable player
2. The best team doesn't always win the game
It would have been really nice if the Trojans would have showed up last night. It was getting pretty frustrating watching the review refs constantly blowing which plays to review and which not. But the Trojans should have been able to overcome that. In fact I was really suprised that USC didn't key on Young better and shut him down.
Do you think yesterday's lose was more Pete Carroll's fault or the player's fault...or do you just think it was point shaving that got out of hand?
morris <><
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You are, of course, entitled to your opinion--misguided as it may be. I'm entitled to mine as well...
These types of sour-grapes, excuse making, accusatory posts confirm two things:
1. That you likely never played a competitive sport beyond Jr. High.
2. Oserved the actual game as it was performed and bought the hype.
More-so at the amature level--and certainly in college, sure things cannot EVER be counted on. What things ARE rarely are what they appear. It took the NCAA YEARS to realize that Gonzage wasn't playing "Cinderella" every March, but rather, was actually a solid program and coaches and the associated press have since began ranking them although their recruiting has been less effective with the re-emergence of other West Coast schools. Point is, these "upsets" seem to happen yearly. Student athletes play a variety of different schedules, coaching has more impact, personal relationships and time-management as well as parental pressure affect outcomes of games. "Point-shaving" allegations in that game make you sound like a real boob. A college athlete feels a different urgency than a professional does. They are more easily mentally defeated and intimidated regardless of how many consecutive games they've won. Pete Carroll is a strong coach that any program would be fortunate to have on board. As is Mack Brown. Those are two strong programs. Wednesday night, Texas' program was a little more willfull and successful. Great game and performances by big-time players on both sides. Texas won. They won. No excuses.
If a quality team like USC heard you talking sour grapes, they'd be embarrassed that you're a fan.
move on,
dgf
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You are, of course, entitled to your opinion--misguided as it may be. I'm entitled to mine as well...
These types of sour-grapes, excuse making, accusatory posts confirm two things:
1. That you likely never played a competitive sport beyond Jr. High.
2. Oserved the actual game as it was performed and bought the hype.
More-so at the amature level--and certainly in college, sure things cannot EVER be counted on. What things ARE rarely are what they appear. It took the NCAA YEARS to realize that Gonzage wasn't playing "Cinderella" every March, but rather, was actually a solid program and coaches and the associated press have since began ranking them although their recruiting has been less effective with the re-emergence of other West Coast schools. Point is, these "upsets" seem to happen yearly. Student athletes play a variety of different schedules, coaching has more impact, personal relationships and time-management as well as parental pressure affect outcomes of games. "Point-shaving" allegations in that game make you sound like a real boob. A college athlete feels a different urgency than a professional does. They are more easily mentally defeated and intimidated regardless of how many consecutive games they've won. Pete Carroll is a strong coach that any program would be fortunate to have on board. As is Mack Brown. Those are two strong programs. Wednesday night, Texas' program was a little more willfull and successful. Great game and performances by big-time players on both sides. Texas won. They won. No excuses.
If a quality team like USC heard you talking sour grapes, they'd be embarrassed that you're a fan.
move on,
dgf >>
I am more disappointed in their performance than anything.
No sour grapes here, not really sure where you pulled that from. Actually, I am curious if you even read my post at all. Because you seem to of clearly missed the conception of the whole thing.
Oh, and what opinions in my post are/were misguided...
Vince Young being an incredible player, or
The best team not always winning, or
The USC team that I have watched all year not showing up in performance, or
The review refs mis-handling several plays which should or should not have been reviewed, or
That USC (as any championship calibur team should) should have been able to overcome a few missed calls, or Than my suprise that USC could not key on Young and shut him down?
Perhaps two years of baseball and basketball and two of track and field in college were not enough for me to break down my misguided opinions?
Or, maybe I am just not understanding your second observation...
<< <i>2. Oserved the actual game as it was performed and bought the hype. >>
Perhaps we have all just learned two more things through all this...
1. You clearly have not had a clear thought since Jr. High
2. Oh, wait #1 says it all
morris <><
ps, the whole point shaving thing...its called humorous irony...see if you can figure it out
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<< <i>The team with the most talent on both sides of the ball won the game. As much as I enjoy watching the USC offense, their defense was atrocious. No excuse for letting a quarterback run wild like Young did. I watched the USC ends either drop back in pass coverage or get sucked inside the entire second half, leaving him lanes to run free in all night.
Unfortunately for USC, Bush wasn't in the game to shove Matt forward on that quarterback sneak that failed.
and that will be the only thing that Mike and I will agree upon all year!
JS
<< <i>The best team doesn't always win the game
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This is sour grapes.
<< <i>It would have been really nice if the Trojans would have showed up last night. >>
Again, sour grapes. They showed up...they just got beat. End of story.
<< <i>It was getting pretty frustrating watching the review refs constantly blowing which plays to review and which not. But the Trojans should have been able to overcome that. >>
Are you saying the refs were helping Texas out? Sound like an excuse that you tried to soften with "...should've been able to overcome..."
<< <i>In fact I was really suprised that USC didn't key on Young better and shut him down.
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Who are you? Joe Coach? They DID "key" on Young. They assigned a special contain guy on every friggin' down. He's just too good.
You actually don't think USC spent the better part of a month prepping for him? They didn't win 30+ games in a row by not paying attention.
The only thing you wrote that made any sense was "Young is an unbelieveable player." If you believe that, you should understand that defending him ain't as easy as you make it sound.
<< <i>Do you think yesterday's lose was more Pete Carroll's fault or the player's fault >>
FAULT? Why is it someone's fault? The Longhorns won a football game. I didn't see anyone blowing bongs or playing grab-ass on the sidelines. I heard nothing of Coach Carroll's drinking binge the night before. USC is 1 yard from being called the greatest team of all time and they lose to a Championship-caliber team and you use the word "fault". I wouldn't want you as a fan. What the heck kind of athlete could you have been with so little understanding of winning and losing and the grace you need to show to maintain respect from your opponents.
The point-shaving thing--if it's a joke--I missed it. My apologies...it wasn't funny.
I'll put this to rest, but your rebuttal to my post was dumber than your original post...a feat I didn't think possible. But, then, you didn't think your U-niversity of S-econd C-hoice (or S-poiled C-hildren) losing was possible either.
chow,
dgf
<< <i>They DID "key" on Young. They assigned a special contain guy on every friggin' down. He's just too good. >>
Because an important game was going on that night (Dallas Stars defeating Vancouver) I only saw the last 5-10 minutes of this game. And as an ex-lineman (in HS - and no, I wasn't very good, but I had some great coaches), this post hits on the one thing I noticed above all else in the part of the game I saw.
USC certainly did have a contain guy assigned to Young, at least on the left side of the defensive line - it was #90 and I have no idea who he is. What I noticed - on both of Young's late TDs - was that while #90 stayed where he was supposed to be, Young stayed in the pocket. The INSTANT that #90 broke containment and moved inside Young took off around the end and scored.
We'll never know what would have happened had #90 done the one and only thing he was supposed to do on those two plays, but my thought - as one who didn't really care who won - was that if you screw up as bad as #90 did - TWICE!! - with the game on the line, you deserve to lose.
Oh, and going for the 4th down and 2 with Bush standing on the sidelines - as a previous poster said, whether he was given the ball or not - had to be one of the largest coaching brain-farts I've ever seen.
<< <i>Oh, and going for the 4th down and 2 with Bush standing on the sidelines - as a previous poster said, whether he was given the ball or not - had to be one of the largest coaching brain-farts I've ever seen. >>
This is what Patriots fans were used to in the Pete Carroll area. Clearly, though, Pete's coaching style is more suited to the college game and Southern California, and I do think he learned from past mistakes, as most good coaches do (remember. Belechick did not do too well in Cleveland).