Identification help needed

ajaan

I believe it is a 1523 or 1543 coin. Anyone know country and denomination.

Man

I thought it was Italian but not sure. Could the date be 1343?

It looks like Saint Peter on the coin.

ajaan

Can't be 1343, I'm pretty sure it is 15xx

Man

I'm stuck then, I've seen German and Italian coins from the 1500's with both Christ and St. Peter that look close to this but the lettering on your coin is completely confusing.

Usually a Google of Nachrschortvkorn, the word on the coin, at least gave a country but I get nothing no matter what variety of spelling I use.

Good Luck hopefully some one smarter is looking.

ajaan

Thanks for trying Man.

JamminJ

Some of the Brunswick duchys used a motif just like that one.

Man

Going by the Duchy theory,

I came across this(No pictures)
GUELDRE - DUCHY OF GUELDRE - RENAUD IV - (1402-1423)

Nimbé Jean-baptiste saint, upright, holding with its right hand a surmounted sceptre of a cross and cutting the legend in top and bottom.

Netherlands coins often have an X or cross with the half the date on one either side of the X.



The last duchy, Gueldres, is annexed in 1543. After the division of the Habsburgian countries in 1555 the Netherlands come under control of Habsburg-ruled Spain.

I like mysterious coins but if this is a replica/fake I'd die laughing.

Zot

I think the text "Nachrschrotvkorn" refers to "nach Reichs Schrot und Korn" (pellets and grains), indicating the coin being in accordance with monetary standards.
I would look into Germany...

Edited to add: "Z4" in the Reichsapfel is "24", referring to a denomination of 1/24 Thaler (1 Groschen)

spoon

It's definitely German and definitely 1523. The saint on obverse is Saint Andrew (Sankt Andreas, auf Deutsch) and he usually appears on coins of the north German states. Have to do some digging to narrow it down further...

Man

Cool 12 hours later we know it's a German 1/24 Thaler from 1523

"nach Reichs Schrot und Korn" (pellets and grains)
Schrot = in former times the whole weight of a coin
Korn = the weight of the pure noble metal

The Saint is Saint Andrews similar to this pic...



and the reverse should look similar to this...

Sapyx

I hope you don't mind a newbie's suggestions on this coin.

I read the date as 1623 - wear/die fill/weak strike on the 6 making it look like a 5. This puts it in range of the Krause catalogues.

The Ruler's title on the obverse is CHRIST.D.G.EP.MIN.D.B.L.. The "MIN" would have made my first guess the Bishopric of Minden, but a note under Minden in the Krause catalogue says "For the coinage of Bishop Christian, see listings for him under Brunswick-Luneberg-Celle.". Flip over to that state and there's your coin - KM#61.

Result: The coin is a silver 1/24 thaler 1623 issued by Christian, Bishop of Minden and Duke of Brunswick-Luneberg-Celle.

ajaan

hmm . . . 1623????

spoon

Damn good!

...for a newbie


Nah, that really does sound right. I think we were getting too hung up on the 2 looking like a Z to consider the "5" might be a 6!

Man

Very good Sapyx and welcome aboard.

But Sapyx what's the book value?

Sapyx

Curious - the catalogue doesn't give a price for this variety, just a bunch of dashes in all grades. I don't know if that's supposed to mean "It's RRR", simply means "We Don't Know" or maybe just another Krause mistake. Similar types from the same country/state CV at $8 to $15 in VG, $60 to $100 in XF.